[Barras]

I know some of the old farts like Wilson, Hemsley, Barton and myself have a good collection of William B.Tanner material, however, I`m hoping to get some of the younger jingle listeners “into” WBT. This is probably my favourite demo from WBT – Simple & Free – originally created for WCOD Cape Cod.

http://www.davidbarras.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/SimpleAndFree.MP3

David Barras

[UKJinglesMember]

Couldn’t agree with you more David……
The Best thing William B Tanner ever done!!
Who owns the re-sing rights now?!?! 😉
Anyway here’s another version of this Great Package!

[JingleMadMember]

Barras wrote:
I know some of the old farts like Wilson, Hemsley, Barton and myself have a good collection of William B.Tanner material, however, I`m hoping to get some of the younger jingle listeners “into” WBT. This is probably my favourite demo from WBT – Simple & Free – originally created for WCOD Cape Cod.

http://www.davidbarras.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/SimpleAndFree.MP3

I Don`t regard myself as an old fart but i do regard myself as a William B Tanner lover.
If David could somehow make the above link active again [or email it to me]
i would love to listen to this post as i obviously missed it the first time round.

[SeanMartin]

petewilson wrote:

Who owns the re-sing rights now?!?!

JonesTM owns the rights to the Tanner product and iJingles have done a number of resings over the past few months. In fact, we've just transferred the 11 channel Simple & Free multitrack tape from anaolgue to digital format in preparation for an upcoming iJingles resing.

Media Preservation is licensed to distribute Tanner reference packages and is in the process of compiling a lot of material direct from the master tapes, so stay-tuned for information of upcoming CD releases and leave some space on your Christmas gift wish list!

-Sean

[Barras]

Rob T. said…

If David could somehow make the above link active again [or email it to me]
i would love to listen to this post as i obviously missed it the first time round.

Check your email inbox Robert, more jingles for you.

AND…thanks for the info. Sean !

David Barras

[jr2479]

David…I'd like to hear the montage also if you have a chance. Thanks!

Jeremy

[martinlesterMember]

petewilson wrote:
Couldn't agree with you more David……
The Best thing William B Tanner ever done!!
Who owns the re-sing rights now?!?! 😉
Anyway here's another version of this Great Package!

http://www.jinglemad.com/audio/users/3/0/WKWX.mp3

Thanks for the post pete never heard them before

or have I

The last cut sounds like a Alfasound Radio Trent Jingle – Just goes to show nothing new under the sun !

[Barras]

jr2479 wrote:
David…I'd like to hear the montage also if you have a chance. Thanks!

Jeremy

Hiya Jeremy,

tried to upload the demo to Jingle Mad`s upload section but didn`t work…

I`ve uploaded it to my webspace, can only leave it uploaded for a few days, hope you get it okay.

http://www.davidbarras.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Tanner_SimpleAndFree.mp3

David

[jr2479]

ThanksDavid!

[ratnobMember]

By the way, this was one of Len Groat's favourite jingle packages. When he was PD at Radio Trent, lots of the Alfasound jingles bore a striking resemblance to the WBT originals. Great to hear them again. They were written, I think I'm right in saying, by Mr Chris Kershaw …

[Barras]

Interesting that you mention this Ratnob – I was chatting with Wixy1360 the other day about this very subject of radio ID jingles, that sound very similar to others. There were a lot of British jingles in the 1970`s and 1980`s that sounded very much like American jingles.

You mentioned William B.Tanner and Alfasound…I`ve found this one as an example from WBT`s Simple and Free.

In this sample you`ll hear the William B.Tanner original jingle for WCOD Cape Cod and then the “Tanner influenced” jingle from Alfasound for Radio Trent.

http://www.davidbarras.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/WCOD_Trent.mp3

Can anyone think of any others ?

David Barras

[IainJohnstonMember]

Barras wrote: “In this sample you`ll hear the William B.Tanner original jingle for WCOD Cape Cod and then the “Tanner influenced” jingle from Alfasound for Radio Trent.
http://www.davidbarras.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/WCOD_Trent.mp3
Can anyone think of any others ?
David Barras”

Quite a few – and I'll post a selection if time permits!

What's daft is – we as collectors (or at least those of us with a conscience
and a respect for the Copyrights ) get worried about giving out dubs
of stuff, yet some Jingle Companies can very obviously “clone” the musical
& production style & content of other people's work!

I know that Alfasound weren't alone in this in the UK (RFM Edinburgh
anybody!??), and I've recently heard 80s/90s TM Century cuts that
sounded very like JAM material from the same era. I do appreciate
that e.g. Dallas-based companies use a pool of talented writers
musicians and vocalists so there must be times where those freelancers'
influence will appear in the product of more than one Production Company!

The late George Harrison got sued for a lot less close-sounding effort
than some of the more blatant copycat stuff!

NB – I'm not meaning jingles that are purposely written to emulate
the sound of a commercial hit record – there are many examples of
that (Freeway Paris – Nostalgie network is an excellent example)
and I'm sure in those cases the Jingle Company(ies) will have
some kind of Royalty / Permissions agreement in place.

[topcat]

It should be noted that the WKWX version of Simple & Free was actually sung at TM (produced by Tony Griffin), not by the original Thunder Prods.

-TC

[ratnobMember]

I'm still sulking at being described by Mr Barras as an old fart.

Beacon's Sunshine Sound bears more than a passing resemblance to JAM's Magic Music. I once posted a comparison of the cuts, but have lost it, I'm afraid.

GB

[IainJohnstonMember]

I've bunged on a quick selection of blatant soundalikes
on Anorak's Corner, as “ImitationVersusFlattery.WMA”
– don't know when it'll appear though

Shouldn't be too hard to spot the ringers!

[Barras]

How about this one from TM`s Synchronism # 8 for KLUV Dallas-Fort Worth and then something rather similar for Southern Sound in jolly olde England…

http://www.davidbarras.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/KLUV_SouthernSound.mp3

David Barras

[IainJohnstonMember]

Barras wrote: “How about this one from TM`s Synchronism # 8 for KLUV Dallas-Fort Worth and then something rather similar for Southern Sound in jolly olde England…
http://www.davidbarras.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/KLUV_SouthernSound.mp3
David Barras”

They didn't even TRY to avoid it sounding the same on that one!

Here's the ones I couldn't get to load yesterday….

http://www.savefile.com/files/398274

[Barras]

From a legal/copyright perspective, how did they get away with airing those “JAM clones” ? !

Thanks for putting that montage together, seems like jingle plagiarism was once rife in the UK, thankfully no more, apart from the Chris Moyles “JAM clones” a few years ago…

http://www.davidbarras.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/JAM_Moyles.mp3

David Barras

[Bigdave]

Those RFM JAM ripoffs are so bad,they're good!

It bears asking the question though – why didn't they just go to JAM like everybody else?

[IainJohnstonMember]

Barras wrote: “From a legal/copyright perspective, how did they (RFM) get away with airing those “JAM clones” ? ! David Barras”

Probably because a) no-one at JAM could hear them pre-Internet era
b) SE in Manchester wouldn't be listening much to
an Edinburgh station (few Scottish stations bought
from Alfasound in the early UK JAM era)
b) if JW had considered legal action (retrospectively)
then SE – JAM's own licenscee in the UK – would
no doubt have had to explain the earlier Alfa clones
of other companies' work?

Still, its all history now – and many of today's new breed of jingle companies
all seem to sound the same as each other anyway a lot of the time, even
without them “lifting” another's musical scores. !sad

Anyone got any more blatant examples for us all to hear???

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