[ratnobMember]

Rob

Must say there are times when only a PAMS jingle will do. I sometimes cycle with a 70s PAMS sampler blasting in my iPod. I find my mood changes about which cuts I like best. One thing's for sure – we can't really appreciate modern jingles without knowing their rich tradition via PAMS.

Geoff Barton

[LenGroat]

Thanks for putting on that selection, and what GREAT quality ! I guess you compiled it, as it was the first and second Metro PAMS packages mixed together, I'd forgotten my WXYZ cut…

'With the best , in Sound, Now' (It's the first , and Last, Word!)

That was from the second package in 1975 by which time PAMS did not have the full vocal group any more and the vocal on it was not totally 'right' compared to the WXYZ original.

I am unimpressed with most of the modern jingle companies, the fashion for having the same melody, phrase, and word order, on EVERY cut totally puzzles me… It makes the idents over repetitive. But JAM deserves its on going acclaim and exposure. The quality of its product from 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago continues to shine. Jon Woolfert is undoubtedly touched with genius, and a gift for finding great musicians, and writers (as well as himself) and keeping those incredible singers together for DECADES…. and Chris Kershaw is also an incredible talent…

As to your question ' Where are all the PAMS jingles' I listened recently to some PAMS re-sings on the JAM/PAMS site and they do still seem to be singing a few for many types of organisations. But maybe it is the case that the further away we get from their origination, the less their creativity is understood by younger collectors, who grew up with very different sounds in their ears?

I've written about the PAMS packages on a site commemorating Metro and other North East Stations, but one thing collectors won't know is that the cut lyriced

'Meeting all the people in the North East, Beautiful Metro, Stereo'

was originally to have 'It's the Harry Rowell show.. ' at the beginning. But he left suddenly, so the only thing I could do was drop that line at the PAMS session as we did not know who would be replacing him, so its a jingle with the first line missing!

It was based on a rather strange original WEEI cut (maybe influenced by Tom Jones ?) The lyric was:

“Say you'll never leave me, your loves the light that keeps the music playing, W E E I ~ FMmmm'

THANKS for bringing back some great PAMS from 33 (ouch) years ago, '

Nostalgia IS what it used to be…'

[bossjockMember]

Thanks for sharing these Rob. It's always good to hear PAMS cuts again

[IainJohnstonMember]

bossjock wrote:
Thanks for sharing these Rob. It's always good to hear PAMS cuts again

At least we can all (now!) play our KenR CDs on our car players!

Rob – there are still “PAMS in the UK” cassettes around – is that
where you got those?

Len – is that you “back in the UK” again now?

[JingleMadMemberAuthor]

[wixy1360] said

Rob – there are still “PAMS in the UK” cassettes around – is that
where you got those?

Very well spotted Iain

[johnnyg]

Fab!!! I hadn't heard most of those versions before !

PAMS are still my all time favourite jingles

[LenGroat]

Len – is that you “back in the UK” again now?

Yes, I've been back from New Zealand for 18 months, some of those chatty radio websites are way out of date !

Rob, thanks for starting this topic, those PAMS cuts do still sound fresh and invigorating 33 years later ~ Amazing!

The basic thing is that the PAMS cuts FLOW in to music, something most of today's jingles FAIL to do.

I only realised later how surprising it was that PAMS let me 'cherry pick' from 3WE , Solid Rock 2, Philly Story, KNBR, 44. The Music's on Us, Series 18, Naturally…

Within 18 months the MU (via the IBA) ensured we were not allowed to use American product, otherwise JAM might have gone on many of the ILR stations rather than Radio 1. The history (and ratings) of British radio might have been very different… As it was Piccadilly had a few JAM cuts before Radio 1.. and I ordered a mini package from JAM in 1979 for myself and four other Trent presenters that we paid for ourselves and the IBA knew nothing about.

There were TOO MANY rules then, and NOT ENOUGH now…

Len Groat

[topcat]

The 1974 composite is interesting. Amazingly, very few people contact me looking for PAMS material. Mostly, they want JAM or those other later companies. Sorry… I grew up on PAMS and it is what I know best (along with the early TM packages). I'll take WHERE YOUR FRIENDS ARE over DALLAS POWER anytime — but that's just my personal taste.

Last comment: I have the sheet music for Smilin' Through (3WE). It's neat to “read along with the hits!” (laughing)

-Tracy

[JingleMadMemberAuthor]

I am very humbled to recieve such nice comments from my piers.
If you enjoyed part 1 as much as i did , here`s part 2.
Enjoy.
Regards Rob. !lol

http://www.4shared.com/file/12738023/3ee1c27d/Metro__1974_pt_2.html

[JingleMadMemberAuthor]

topcat wrote:
The 1974 composite is interesting. Amazingly, very few people contact me looking for PAMS material. Mostly, they want JAM or those other later companies. Sorry… I grew up on PAMS and it is what I know best (along with the early TM packages). I'll take WHERE YOUR FRIENDS ARE over DALLAS POWER anytime — but that's just my personal taste.

Last comment: I have the sheet music for Smilin' Through (3WE). It's neat to “read along with the hits!” (laughing)

-Tracy

This upload is for all Pams fans to enjoy BUT i would like to direct it in the direction of Tracy [Topcat] Carmen.
Any imformation you may have on these random cuts for WYDE would be well recieved.
Enjoy One & All.

Rob.
http://www.4shared.com/file/12740490/3481162f/Pams_-_WYDE_Country_Polatain.html

[bossjockMember]

What a PAMS fest. :p I usually have to listen to my KenR CDs to get my PAMS fix! I hadn't heard those WYDE cuts before – excellent quality. Thanks

[JingleMadMemberAuthor]

bossjock wrote:
What a PAMS fest. :p I usually have to listen to my KenR CDs to get my PAMS fix! I hadn't heard those WYDE cuts before – excellent quality. Thanks

Hi John.
If you want all the cuts just email me.
robertthornton@btinternet.com

Regards Rob.

[Barras]

Rob T. wrote:
So here are a couple of demos i have dredged from my meagre collection.
PLEASE try & enjoy them.
Len Groat & David Barras particularly [You`ll see why]
http://www.4shared.com/file/12659037/dc377645/Carousel_Cable_Network.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/12659145/7cbaeb99/Metro__1974.html

Cue a blatant advert for my Metro Radio ramblings…

Click here:

http://jinglemad.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?9832

Barras

[JingleMadMemberAuthor]

OK Who nicked the photos then????????

[945KBAYguy]

umm the reason nobody in ac likes them is cause they SUCK! for ac sorry but pams are just no good! if jam could start using more synth and less crudy brass and a more modern with out sounding so 60's then sure, id probably get a custom from them! for now it's Thompson Reelworld or Zone for us.

[mbMember]

I think the thread was about PAMS jingles rather than JAM jingles. THeir sound is distinct and different and oner thing that JAM have done is be able to recreate the PAMS sounds to perfection on resings.
We went through an expolsion of Classic gold stations using them in the late 80's but I guess most of these services have broadened thier music range and the PAMS sound no loger fits. Its such a shame to see thier cuts going from SAGA to be replaced b y Bespoke Smoooooooooooooooth creations.
So In response to KBAYFM PAMS jingles are not really designed for AC although some of the cuts could still be used to give a package some interest in the cuts.
JAM are slightly limited by what the customer wants – to be honest even if they are anot the most popular thing around at the moment one thing they do damn well is real instruments and a full rick=h sound. There are lots of people who can bung out jingles done on a synth in a shed with a club singer wailing over the top.
If you went to Jon with a brief for a package in a specific style I'm sure he could deliver. Remeber JAM is one of the few companies that has a massive range of experience in every format. I haven't seen anything new from thompson for years, Zone sounds good no argument and Reelworld is good but just like JAM everyone now has them.

[JingleMadMemberAuthor]

Well said Michael.

[LenGroat]

QUOTE
'umm the reason nobody in ac likes them is cause they SUCK! sorry there just no good! '

You seem confused, but whether you were referring to JAM or PAMS, you've lost sight of the fact that without these 2 companies, the other newer companies you mention would never have come into existence?

How can you say THIRTY years of JAM jingles 'suck'??

I hope you are more eloquent and expressive when you broadcast?

'QUOTE
if jam could start using more synth and less crudy brass and a more modern with out sounding so 60's then sure, id probably get a custom from them!'

JAM have done exactly this, listen to Ride the Wave for Star Radio, it has very little brass, great rhythms, LA, and gentle effects. It also has the same style of solo/duet vocals these newer companies use. However, they are in key, and sung far better!

British and American radio lost its way in the late 90's. There are too many stations now fighting over 20-35 year olds, with a dearth of programmable music. Masses of this younger demographic are listening to IPODS but radio won't accept this.

Programmers on these 20-35 demographic stations have to resort to lowest common denominator tactics, and style. This includes tepid, repetitive jingles, with no imagination in the lyrics, too much synth, and untrained vocalists.

Thank goodness Jon Woolfert and the team at JAM are still here to bring us QUALITY…

[JingleMadMemberAuthor]

Yet another voice of reason
Are you listening KBAYFM

[topcat]

Rob T. wrote:
This upload is for all Pams fans to enjoy BUT i would like to direct it in the direction of Tracy [Topcat] Carmen.
Any imformation you may have on these random cuts for WYDE would be well recieved.
Enjoy One & All.

Rob.
http://www.4shared.com/file/12740490/3481162f/Pams_-_WYDE_Country_Polatain.html

The package is PAMS “Country II” produced for WYDE in 1969. There are a few cuts of this package that I enjoy… tho I was never a big country jingle (nor music) fan.

Best,
Tracy

[JingleMadMemberAuthor]

Thanks TC.
Had no idea the cuts were as old as that. (
Regards Rob.

[johnnyg]

Michael & Len – couldn't agree more!!

[945KBAYguy]

OK i do like walk on KGBY but i just don't know about if i am ready to get another since we are planing on keeping WSNI for a while. but sure we'll try jam.

[mbMember]

To be honest Reelworld make some great jingles so I'm in no way knocking them and as I said there are so many good companies around at the moment at the premier end of production. I fly out to SF tomorrow morning for 10 days so I'll give you listen from my Sunnyvale suite

[945KBAYguy]

haha i live in Sunnyvale! just pardon the temporary voice Imaging, the female voice will stay though. also Mix 106.5 is the same studios.

back on topic pams and other companies NEED to update some of their demos.
The XM radio gives pams a nice use.

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