[Good Time Oldie]

Good news for Thompson Creative fans, a “friend” of mine (lol) has just informed me that they are about to launch a new website very soon, which explains why the old site has now gone.

May I be the first to wish Larry and the team all the very best for the future. I also hope it will stop the doubters/whingers who are happy to report the “death” of Thompson Creative, which my “friend” tells me isn't so.

Good luck Larry!

The Gobby1

[GlennaMember]

AMEN!!!!!!!!

[mp729293]

This is fantastic news. Unfortunately, little jingles

[JingleMadMember]

There doing more customs in 2008 to be released in 2009 so expect this site to be small for NOW.

[martinlesterMember]

thegobby1 wrote:
Good news for Thompson Creative fans, a “friend” of mine (lol) has just informed me that they are about to launch a new website very soon, which explains why the old site has now gone.

May I be the first to wish Larry and the team all the very best for the future. I also hope it will stop the doubters/whingers who are happy to report the “death” of Thompson Creative, which my “friend” tells me isn't so.

Good luck Larry!

The Gobby1

Well it is Great that after 2 Years plus they have finally put a new web site together with 4 new Demo's

As for the doubters if you go back through past Jingle Network podcast's you will hear this was reported
Over 2 years ago and confirmed by several key Dallas Jingle Producers one who reported that Larry Thompson
Wanted such a high price for the Jingle Tracks it would have been cheaper to re record from scratch

Of the 4 new packages

(Which Partly confirms they have not done much custom work over the last 2 years compared to the other folks in Dallas)

Legendary Lite 96.5 KOIT -IMHO the Best of the “New Packages” however sounds a bit like a Zone Production not as good as Fresh NY from JAM or anything that Zone has produced over the last year

New Christian Demos and Country again not bad but TM and RadioScape are producing both NEW country and Christian jingles that are both Contemporary Memorable and interesting to listen to

What does every one else think is Thompson Back on Top in Dallas?

Or

A long way Behind TM and JAM / ZONE and RadioScape

http://www.thompsoncreative.com/?p=100

[Good Time Oldie]

I hardly think Mr T would feel he's “On Top in Dallas”, quite the opposite I guess.

I thought we were here to rejoice and celebrate the humble jingle, so surely “little” progress is better than none at all?

Glad I was always brought up to believe my glass was “half full”.

[bruceup]

Martin Lester wrote:
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Legendary Lite 96.5 KOIT -IMHO the Best of the “New Packages” however sounds a bit like a Zone Production not as good as Fresh NY from JAM or anything that Zone has produced over the last year

This is the KOIT custom I wrote for them in the fall of 2005, which might account for the 'Zone' factor.

[GlennaMember]

Thompson has always been one of the my favs.

[JingleMadMember]

Martin Lester wrote: Well it is Great that after 2 Years plus they have finally put a new web site together with 4 new Demo's

What's your beef? Just because there have been no demo's released doesn't mean they are out of the game. In the past 2 years Thompson Creative have been very busy resinging their back catalog of packages. There have also moved to a new location across town which is no easy task.

Good luck Larry.

[martinlesterMember]

TOH wrote:

Well it is Great that after 2 Years plus they have finally put a new web site together with 4 new Demo's

What's your beef? Just because there have been no demo's released doesn't mean they are out of the game. In the past 2 years Thompson Creative have been very busy resinging their back catalog of packages.

At the end of the day whatever you are selling a website is your showcase of your product

Thompson did have some very good packages in the 80’s in fact I must be one of the Few people that purchased a personal cut from Thompson back then (That was before they were called Personal Cuts)

20 Years on and if the new website is showcase for Thompson then compared to TM / Zone / JAM, I sort of get the impression that this is just a sideline to other interests, if your showcase of new packages includes something from 3 years ago for me it does not say much

While they may have been very busy re-singing the back packages, the attention to detail has not been present, take Palm Package – Poorly Adapted several words sung incorrectly

This simply would never have left the Studio with JAM

[GlennaMember]

What's the palm package?

[IainJohnstonMember]

Beaver, it was a Thompson effort for Palm 105.5 FM in Torquay, on the south-west
coast of England (the “Palm” comes from the palm trees abundant in that very balmy
& beautiful part of England – and I'm even saying that as a Scot!)

There's various references (and I think audio) about it around JM – it was notorious
for extremely “crammed-in” rushed vocals (often a Thompson “feature”, but these
were absolutely beyond excuse), and also “Torquay” was pronouced almost as “turkey”!

The package was pulled off air fairly soon after the station launch, but it should be said
that there are examples of other stations having REJECTED better packages than that
from other companies on various occasions.

[JingleMadMember]

The cut by cut feature will not be released for another month or too.

[945KBAYguy]

Will it apply to all of their packages or just the new ones? i aslo hope they dont just splice them from the demos because some of their music beds are worth listening to!

[nostalgie]

Right Martin. I got the chance to listen a few new packages on their website this afternoon (KOIT among others) and, like for you, it does't say much to me, emotionally. I usually like almost any AC pack, but the new one miss something, totally. There is no life in these jingles – not by the rhythm; I mean the melody or the way voices develop together. I feel like they did not have fun to produce and record these tracks.
(I wish I would say the opposite.)

This mentioned, I am not a specialist, nor a musician, just an attentive listener and jingle lover.

[JingleMadMember]

KBAYFreak wrote:
Will it apply to all of their packages or just the new ones? i aslo hope they dont just splice them from the demos because some of their music beds are worth listening to!

All of the packages so far.

Don't wery, KBAY freak. All of the talk up beds will be in full so everyone can hear them.

[martinlesterMember]

Wixy1360 wrote:
Beaver, it was a Thompson effort for Palm 105.5 FM in Torquay, on the south-west
coast of England (the “Palm” comes from the palm trees abundant in that very balmy
& beautiful part of England – and I'm even saying that as a Scot!)

There's various references (and I think audio) about it around JM – it was notorious
for extremely “crammed-in” rushed vocals (often a Thompson “feature”, but these
were absolutely beyond excuse), and also “Torquay” was pronouced almost as “turkey”!

The package was pulled off air fairly soon after the station launch, but it should be said
that there are examples of other stations having REJECTED better packages than that
from other companies on various occasions.

And hear is the said Cut !!!!!

http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1222372132_4681_FT65547_palm105.mp3 filename:palm105.mp3

(There are some real Turkey's in this package pardon the pun!)

[GlennaMember]

ML
Thanks

[nostalgie]

Martin, do you have the full package for PALM 105?

Beaver: I am sorry. I hope I did not offend you since you are a fan of Thompson. I only wanted to express my disappointment about their new packages. My expectations were probably too high.

BTW: I would like to understand better about Thompson & TM. Are they the same? (It gets confusing with TM Century, Century 21, Thompson Creative & TM Studios…) Moreover, why does TM feature LiteHouse Studios and KissVille on their main page? Are these studios associated with TM and why?

Update
I remember now: TM (Tom Merriman) and Thompson Creative (Larry Thompson). However, we must admit that it's not only a coincidence if both studios have similar names… is it?

[JingleMadMember]

Wixy1360 wrote:

There's various references (and I think audio) about it around JM – it was notorious for extremely “crammed-in” rushed vocals (often a Thompson “feature”, but these were absolutely beyond excuse), and also “Torquay” was pronouced almost as “turkey”!

The package was pulled off air fairly soon after the station launch.

Whoa. Wait a minute. Are Thompson Creative really to blame 100% here? Let's not forget the client (Palm 105) would have selected the package they wanted to purchase and based their own lyrics around the individual cuts. They would then go to Thompson Creative for the package to be sung. All Thompson did was meet the clients requirements based on the brief they had recieved. If they were pulled after Palm launched, that is no fault of Thompson Creative. The PD or whoever was in charge of purchasing the jingles must have approved the final mixes and authorised them to go to air. Normally what happens is, if the jingle company hasn't delievered what the cleint was looking for, the cuts would be worked on again until the client is happy with the end product.

Rushed lyrics don't just come from Thompson Creative either. There are are a lot of awful resings out there from the other boys in Seattle and Dallas. But like I said, if that's what the client wants that is what he will get.

Thierry wrote:
Moreover, why does TM feature LiteHouse Studios and KissVille on their main page? Are these studios associated with TM and why?

Kissville and LiteHouse are products of TM Studios, just under a different name.

[nostalgie]

“Kissville and LiteHouse are products of TM Studios, just under a different name.”

I understand, but what's the point to use a different name?

Regarding what you wrote before, it's filled with truth, TOH. Some of the re-sings from ReelWorld (only for example) don't sound as great as we would think, based on their original and first version. However, I must say that the latest packages from Thompson are far from giving me any kind of excitement
(I might be wrong). But as you said, if it's what a program director wants, that is the end of the story.

[GlennaMember]

Thierry
No problem.

[coolnt]

Thierry wrote:
“Kissville and LiteHouse are products of TM Studios, just under a different name.”

I understand, but what's the point to use a different name?

Kissville, LiteHouse, Rhythmixx, YoungGuns are production houses apart from TM Studios, specifically run by Vineyard Studios. Singers are from TM though. From what I understand, production happens within their studios. TM Studios sells the four.

[IainJohnstonMember]

TOH – I indeed hear what you say.

The topic has been well discussed a number of times in the past, so I won't repeat
too much – but Thomson DO have a tendency sometimes (but certainly not always)
to try to squeeze more sylabuls into the space of a couple of notes than just about
anyone else but they certainly are not alone.

(Nor is it a “new” trait – as I've mentioned before, the phrase “cramming-to-fit” is
referenced as far back as the demo of TM's ground-breaking re-think of the
contemporary jingle package in 1970 – the “Phase II” package).

As for PDs choosing the cuts, or auditioning them before on-air acceptance, as has
been heavily discussed on Digital Spy etc on many occasions, many of today's PDs,
PCs, and other “air management” are often too young to have experienced the
“heritage” of station “imaging” (as its now nauseatingly called) and many have no
idea of musical composition/writing/scoring/recording/studio production etc techniques,
never mind being able to do virtually anything in their jobs without “computer-assistance”.

Such supposedly qualified people only know what they hear, see, are told by “market
research” agencies etc around them in today's heavily-cloned and narrow-formatted radio
(especially in the UK, where there really is no breadth of station formats in comparison
with many other countries). So they get what they think they asked or paid for.

Anoraks can grumble, but if it works on air – no problem; I suspect that the Palm situation
had “background factors”, but the seasoned radio pro most likely able to clarify that quit
the station, probably due to just those factors.

People like our legendary Len Groat are sadly few and far between today – the accountants
and the “bright young things” have won.

As for pronounciation!…thats an audio thread in its own right! :^)

[Good Time Oldie]

Whilst I respect fully the comments made by Martin and Iain, I do feel this constant mention of Palm FM everytime Thompson Creative is talked about on here is fast becoming like some messy/petty “domestic”, and is old Hat now. Surely Larry and the team must have released some good packages?, so why not discuss them instead of focussing on this one set of cuts all the time?.

I am a massive JAM and TM fan, and you're not telling me that they haven't released stuff that they are less than happy/proud of?. Granted the “Turkey” would never had been recorded let alone released with Jon,TM etc, but is it Larry's fault that today's PDs don't have any balls?. I am sure Thompson Creative will sing ANYTHING if asked, and we don't know if Larry had mentioned the overloading of the words at the session, we weren't there, so we just don't know.

Also, I understand that Larry is a very busy guy with other things too, he doesn't just sit at his desk in Thompson Towers waiting for the jingle orders to come in. Although perhaps it might be time to think about having a change of UK Rep, someone who doesn't keep you on the phone for thirty minutes every time, anyone fancy it?.

So come on guys, enough “Palm,Cramming and Turkey” references now, lets highlight the good work done by Thompson Creative for a change, and you have to admit they have done some, haven't they? (yes they may be old packages but it doesn't stop them being good, I still like “Puppet on a string” by Sandie Shaw and that was 1967).

Finally, some people on here may feel the other players in Dallas must be rubbing their hands together with glee with all this “point scoring”, but I personally think secretly they will be very protective of Larry, yes he's a competitor, but he is still “one of their own”, and a GOOD GUY too, so give him a break!

The Gobby1

P.S Personally, I don't like the stuff pumped out by the new jingle kids on the block today, but I don't come on here and moan about it. If you don't like something, don't listen to it…simple!. Afterall, I started this thread with the words “Good new for Thompson Creative FANS”

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