[TheMix]

Just wanted to know what others felt about remixing jingles and the legality of it. Reelworld do NOT like anyone remixing their jingles, and the one sole instance of a JAM remix would be the Top Format effort with Hot KIIS.

I reckon any skilled musician out there could be given any JAM vocal and create a backing track that's totally different from the original. It could give new life to old classics.

What do you think? Should originals be left alone?

(btw I'm not talking about remixing in the sense of turning a KOST package into a hardcore rave track!)

[Barras]

Personally, I think they should be left alone, however, I have an example here of an interesting music news theme, remix of Z Force cut #10…

I have no idea of the legalities of this remix, whether the European station sought permission to do it ? whether Jon Wolfert has heard this before ? etc…

It does sound good turned up loud !

http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1252595528_3680_FT75134_jam_news_remix_z_force_10.mp3 filename:jam_news_remix_z_force_10.mp3

[IainJohnstonMember]

Legally, Copyright & Performance Rights do come into it.
But its a known “grey area” as to how a very short acapella vocal sung to a “commonly used simple short melody in the public domain” can be strongly protected – in the early 70s TM and Johnny Mann (and others) were singing 99.9% near identical vocal melodies/logos (for an example of the most common one, see the “Matt Barton TM personal cuts” item posted today!).

Perhaps the protection comes in at the level of the “performance rights” of the actual singers/engineer/score-writer/etc who performed/produced the vocals.
Top Format of course were licensed by JAM to “re-work” their product.

Aside from that – some more “mature” JM'ers will remember that in the early 1970s an Australian jingle company tried to create big-sounding jingles that locally re-sung existing US-made vocals in similar style but to “big & brassy band” tracks, to make them sound more “exciting” than the then “increasingly bland” US products. Didn't really work – so even if say a JAM cut might sound “dated”, at least it is true to when it was originally composed – and should stay that way?

Alternatively – I'm sure Jon at JAM if ever commissioned to do so would rise to the challenge of completely re-building ANY past JAM cut(s) from the ground-up in a completely different musical style, genre, or era! (Anyone for some “Best Show” in “drum'n'bass”?)

Not even a musician is required nowadays to “backwards create” a track that could be “glued on” to an existing vocal – just need a PC, audio editing software, and a synth/midi rig (not much less than certain jingle companies now appear to use!) So maybe its a case of “just because one can do something, should one do it just because one can”?!?

PS – hands up how many JM'ers will confess to re-mixing their JAM vocal mix-outs on to other JAM (and other companies'!) cuts etc to “creatively edit” more cuts for themselves (for non-broadcast Personal Use only, of course!)

[IainJohnstonMember]

“remix of Z Force cut #10”

Does “gating” a short copyrighted/protected existing piece of music with another sound become a “remix” or a “new creation” – or is it still pure & simple “unauthorised & unlicensed use of a Copyrighted feature”?

[DevawebMember]

Wixy1360 wrote:
“remix of Z Force cut #10”

Does “gating” a short copyrighted/protected existing piece of music with another sound become a “remix” or a “new creation” – or is it still pure & simple “unauthorised & unlicensed use of a Copyrighted feature”?

Oh, it's still unauthorised/unlicensed

[Welshjingler]

instead of starting a new thread and roughly on the same topic “branded intros” are they legal to play on-air?

i only ask as my head of programming thinks they're illegal to use and needs a seperate license. i explain i have bought several but more often create my own (short example of Lady Gaga's Lovegame). would like some opinions if poss?

http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1252617447_828_FT75134_lovegamebrandintrobrfm.mp3 filename:lovegamebrandintrobrfm.mp3

[JingleMadMember]

As long as you are using an imaging package licensed to your station, branded intros are not illegal.

The artist drops (“Hey this is Lady GaGa”) can be obtained from a number of sources like Production Vault and Blue Revolution. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think there is any copyright when it comes to artist drops. If you have bought a package or if you are subscribed to a service that provides them you are free to use them in production any way you wish.

[TheMix]

Barras wrote:
Personally, I think they should be left alone, however, I have an example here of an interesting music news theme, remix of Z Force cut #10…

I have no idea of the legalities of this remix, whether the European station sought permission to do it ? whether Jon Wolfert has heard this before ? etc…

It does sound good turned up loud !

http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1252595528_3680_FT75134_jam_news_remix_z_force_10.mp3 filename:jam_news_remix_z_force_10.mp3

That's a perfect example of 'remixing' a JAM cut, Barras.

THe reason I ask is that listening to Fresh NY and the Heart 106.2 packages there are similarities and it's just the backing track replaced, so if someone at a radio station skilled at production (Andy Roberts @ KISS, Dave Kelly @ Capital) could do so.

Speaking of Dave Kelly, there's a Heart remix he's done on the iqbeats blog somewhere…

[Welshjingler]

Thanks Michael, we are subscribing to Production Vault especially for most of our imaging and SFX and Blue Revolution's Showbiz Central.

[IainJohnstonMember]

Some of the first JAM Fresh cuts ARE old JAM Heart 106.2 cuts!

To me, a proper “remix” is where someone has (legal) access to the original multi-track production, and (with permission) uses elements or “layers” from that to create a different version by subtracting/adding/reprocessing etc.

Excellent example (non-jingle) is the “War of the Worlds” remix double album from several years ago, where club mix-DJs etc were let loose by Jeff Wayne on his original 1978 WOTW masters.

If someone does a “home-brew” remix of a Copyrighted jingle for broadcast use then as technically interesting as the project might be, they'd still be on very dodgy ground legally (c.f. the PAMS Series 28 “Happiness is…” debate recently).

[GlennaMember]

It boils down to this: ASK FIRST!!!!!!!
Or risk a phone call from legal eagle.

[MikeBrown]

Wixy1360 wrote: Excellent example (non-jingle) is the “War of the Worlds” remix double album from several years ago, where club mix-DJs etc were let loose by Jeff Wayne on his original 1978 WOTW masters.

As done by none other than the legend that is Ben Liebrand who himself has lots of issues with copyright after hes lovingly remixed something. However, he seems to get away with playing them on Radio Veronica, as long as he dosen't release them.

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