[scotronMember]

I was just listening to Duncan Newmarch’s The One’s That Got Away 3 hour extravaganza again the other day, and there was a section devoted to Radio One news jingles. There was one particular news jingle in the late 70s/early 80’s perhaps that went through many incarnations, logo melody variations and re-mixes. You know the one I mean. Drum intro. Radio One….News …ending in morse code effect. ( Ironically, on Duncan’s compilation some example are around 2.08 on the montage). Does anyone know how many variations of this jingle were aired over the years?.

[IainJohnston]

As a starter, this is ref-quality-only and VERY incomplete copy of (some of ???) the 1976
“original” version variants, which indeed got “refreshed” many times over the JAM Radio One years.

https://soundcloud.com/allthebestjingles01/ij-jam-radioonenews-alts-1976/s-em29F

The total number of main versions, mixouts over the years of the one cut must be something utterly daft!

I’m sure JMW described these cuts on an audio thing a wee while back (ratnob maybe???)

A sub-question/answer Ron:-

“AIRED” versus “PROVIDED” – as likely as on many a station package (or even Personal Cuts…)
not EVERY mixout/variant “makes it to air” (c.f. WABC).
On the audio above alone, I’m sure I never heard most of the above on-airback in 1976;
and more recent variants I have here likewise.

There IS a whole world of JAM Radio One “alts” and “in-between packages top-ups” that I know
some Collectors on JM are VERY “deep” into; when/if JMW ever lets the “Radio One Classic Collection”
in its truly vast entirety out into the world for us to buy only then might the huge amount of versions
upgrades & mixes of even that single cut become clear.

PS – I’d still like to know if JMW when first commissioned by the BBC to do that news intro was given
a dub of the very tinny WWDC “Oddysey 70” Pepper-Tanner news-in that Radio One had used circa
1968/69, and asked if “we like this one, but could YOU make us really far better version please?!?”
If true or not, the Radio One JAM classic news-in has been an all-time favourite :^)

[UKJinglesMember]

I think about 3 of them were aired over the years (1976-1980) with the slightly different “Radio One News” Logo and beds…
Funny enough…That was one of the requests I put into Jon a few weeks ago on his Rewound Radio request box…..
“Any chance of a montage of some of the BBC Radio One/Two Jam Cuts that never made it to Air please?”
Again just to get away from the mainly US-orientated examples played each week…….

[ratnobMember]

It was the brilliant electronic beds we remember from those Radio One early news jingles:
http://www.geoffbarton.co.uk//files/_IDs/Radio-1_%20news-mixes.m4a

And here’s my discussion with Jon Wolfert about the BBC Radio One / Radio Two jingles:
http://www.geoffbarton.co.uk//files/Audio/Bob-in-Dallas/BID26-BBC.mp3

[GrahamCollins]

Here’s one I made earlier. All the air versions in date order:

https://soundcloud.com/graham-c/bbc-radio-1-news-ins

There were certainly four versions of the original 1976 track that made it to air – the first to my knowledge was a more electronic version of the orchestrated mix that appears in the July 1976 package. It was not updated for the 1978 package but was in 1980. The 1982 package changed the logo slightly and it got a final make-over in 1987.

[IainJohnston]

Ha! Just been beaten to the PT audio!
This was it in full anyway…
https://soundcloud.com/allthebestjingles01/wwdc-oddesey70-newsin/s-EBL0c

[jonnoMember]

Thanks Graham, I knew you’d put together a montage of Radio 1 news cuts as I’d commented how I liked the subtle changes to the logo melody over the years.

[ratnobMember]

Here’s one I made earlier. All the air versions in date order:
https://soundcloud.com/graham-c/bbc-radio-1-news-ins

Graham – Love this. Thank you. G

[FonthillMember]

Not sure if anybody on here has posted it yet, but there was a shortened version of one of the JAM Radio 1 jingles that was played in the late 1970s or early 1980s when both Radio 1 and Radio 2 shared the same newsreader at certain times of the day. I used to hear this played on a Sunday evening at around 7 or 8pm. The shortened version just comprised of the drum roll followed straight away by “Radio 1 News” and was roughly the same length as Radio 2’s news jingle so that each station could play their own news jingle after the Greenwich Time Signal and the newsreader would then start the reading the bulletin on both stations at around 5 seconds past the hour.

[GrahamCollins]

Yes that was just an edit of the 1980 cut featured in the montage above:

https://soundcloud.com/graham-c/bbc-r1-news-in-1980-short-15

[gameswizardMember]

Radio 1 News ID from 1980 version was my favourite, closely followed by the 1982 update of it.

[GuyMember]

Here’s one I made earlier. All the air versions in date order:

https://soundcloud.com/graham-c/bbc-radio-1-news-ins

There were certainly four versions of the original 1976 track that made it to air – the first to my knowledge was a more electronic version of the orchestrated mix that appears in the July 1976 package. It was not updated for the 1978 package but was in 1980. The 1982 package changed the logo slightly and it got a final make-over in 1987.

Graham – I’ve listened to this several times and have finally worked out what has been nagging me: there was an edit of the third news jingle (from the 1972 PAMS package) that was used on air in 1973-4. It was the intro to a Jean-Jacques Perrey Moog piece that was looped and replaced the tail of the original jingle. Presumably the edit was done at the BBC rather than by PAMS. Does anyone else remember this and why it was done? I can’t recall the name of the J-JP track although I’ve got it somewhere: it was on one of the LPs much used by Kenny Everett in the day.

[GuyMember]

Edit: it was ‘The Savers’ from Spotlight on the Moog.

[FonthillMember]

Thanks to GrahamCollins for uploading the short version of the 1980 Radio 1 News ID. The 1976 jingle also had a short version which basically just had the intro chopped off so that it was the same length as Radio 2’s news jingle. I’ve found an off-air recording online from June 1980 which must have been shortly before it was replaced by the 1980 update. The jingle can be heard at time position 1.56.49 on this recording:

[scotronMemberAuthor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_er8l9JISbM The Savers tune as mentioned above.

[ratnobMember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_er8l9JISbM The Savers tune as mentioned above.

Yes – used in Newsbeat

[UKJinglesMember]

Wasn’t this just on Newsbeat Stories intro’s ?

The first few seconds were repeat edited……..

[GuyMember]

No, as far as I can remember it wasn’t Newsbeat, it was the main News In. I seem to recall that, initially, they used the Moog one for News In and the original for News Out. But I could be wrong: it was a long time ago…!

[IainJohnston]

Thanks for the story of “The Savers” – never realised – but with medium wave quality back then,
who would have noticed the cut-and-shut-edit job? Thanks Ron for the audio!

As with many a jingle in that era – I wonder what came first?

The jingle “lifted” from something in the world of commercial or pop music?
They all did it e.g. TM then especially, but even PAMS – WWDC Musical Odyssey has a bit
of Dave Brubeck’s legendary jazz “Take Five” and also Grazin’ in the Grass by (?)

Or a jingle being “lifted” by a composer of other music?
e.g. T*imb*lake* ripping TM’s Rhythm of the City – still hear that on radio several times a week!

What a “difference” changing one note can make?
;^)

[mjb1124Member]

Here in the States, “The Savers” is best known as the theme to the 1970s game show “The Joker’s Wild”.

[GuyMember]

I’ve been giving it some more thought: Pete and Geoff – you are right: the intro loop of The Savers was used on its own for the Newsbeat intro around that time but there was definitely also an edit of the 1972 PAMS jingle with the first four notes followed by the ‘Savers’ loop. As I said earlier, I’m pretty certain that it was used for News In around 1973 with the original jingle following for News Out. I also seem to recall that the News Out was dropped altogether in around 1974 in favour of a station or DJ ident after the bulletin. I’ve probably got some airchecks on cassette somewhere but that might be a challenge to find!

[IainJohnston]

It always was a bizarre BBC R1 and R2 “thing” in that era to come out of the news bulletin with a repeat
of the news INTRO, complete with the intro “tail”. Like they really didn’t “understand” how to use them.
Even though “tail-less” versions of the news cuts suitable as News OUTs WERE provided by the jingle
companies, but rarely if ever heard – may never even got “carted-up”?

And of course, the “I must play three jingles in a row after the news before starting a record” syndrome.

Perhaps the influence of “layers of producers” that were a relic of the “Home Service / Light Programme days”
but still were involved with R1 and R2 didn’t quite understand all the “new-fangled” stuff?
Or “padding out the needletime” may well have been a factor?

Fortunately a lot of the ILR stations as they began to appear seemed to “get it” better.
…though not all of them lets say…

End of ancient history lesson!
:^)

[gameswizardMember]

It always was a bizarre BBC R1 and R2 “thing” in that era to come out of the news bulletin with a repeat
of the news INTRO, complete with the intro “tail”.

Radio 2 did that into the 80’s too.

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