[DavidHemsley]

Bryan Simmons wrote:
I've been told that recording sessions for our new package will take place next month (Feb) in Dallas. Great news if you ask me!

Great to hear that news but, should you be giving out what could be deemed as secret company information – maybe your bosses don't want the competition to know that they are getting new JAM jingles? Seems odd you're saying this . . to me.

[Bryan Simmons]

brucie wrote:
Hey Bryan I was in LA a couple of weeks ago on business, listened into an afternoon show and it was nice to hear you broadcast live on actual RF but was disappointed to not hear any JAM…

Look forward to the results when I'm next over

At this point we have more Reel World product on the air than JAM, but there are JAM cuts being used. Believe me, I'm sure you heard some JAM cuts, but they are fairly uptempo and may have fooled you, but make no mistake, the difference is noticeable when you compare them side by side.

[Bryan Simmons]

David Hemsley wrote:

I've been told that recording sessions for our new package will take place next month (Feb) in Dallas. Great news if you ask me!

Great to hear that news but, should you be giving out what could be deemed as secret company information – maybe your bosses don't want the competition to know that they are getting new JAM jingles? Seems odd you're saying this . . to me.

This is not a secret. If it were there wouldn't have been any posts at all by me about it. Our competition is very aware of this info as well. I DO NOT give out company secrets, have always been a loyal company man, and still am. But perhaps you have a point, so I'll stop posting any info. I'm sure there are other sources for news about this…

[ratnobMember]

I gather that the remaining ReelWorld jingles will be withdrawn from KOST, LA, in the next week or so, and be replaced in the interim by some familiar JAM cuts from previous packages. Meanwhile it seems that the sessions to sing new KOST jingles are scheduled to take place at JAM in the next few weeks, ready to be rolled out on the station later in the spring.

So it may be that LA is soon to get the great, original, distinctive sound of KOST back again.

It's a welcome reminder for some of us that the quality of jingles matters a lot.

[ratnobMember]

Here's how the top of the hour was sounding at 6pm earlier today:

[mjb1124Member]

Great to hear… thanks for posting. They were still using some RW cuts when I was listening this morning, but hearing JAM at the TOH is definitely encouraging. Can't wait to hear that new package!

[tyty21]

what a way to go! i love it! this is giving me hope to listen to kost again. can't wait!

[simon_t123Member]

Bryan Simmons wrote:

This is not a secret. If it were there wouldn't have been any posts at all by me about it. Our competition is very aware of this info as well. I DO NOT give out company secrets, have always been a loyal company man, and still am. But perhaps you have a point, so I'll stop posting any info. I'm sure there are other sources for news about this…

Guys, personally I think it's out of order that Bryan should feel he has to take such a decision to stop posting info about the new JAM ID's for KOST just because … someone has challenged him for doing so, it's very unwelcoming in my opinion, Bryan was merely (and kindly) sharing information that is not a secret but IS about a subject many of us jingle-madders are actually quite interested in … i.e KOST and JAM !!!

I'm actually quite disappointed, this is after all a jingle fan site and we are all after all bloomin' JINGLE FANS, that's what it's all about, lighten up doods

Bryan has put forward his defense here (should he of had too ???) and it's totally acceptable what he is saying & I hope we can move on, but of course it is a shame if no more info is forthcoming on this subject because of 'niggling' …

On a lighter note, I've been listening to KOST via iheartradio.com here in the UK, great station, finally got to hear Mark Wallengren at brekkie but there was far, far, far to many Reelworld cuts for my liking not bashing RW mind but it's not the KOST signature sound I've enjoyed hearing jingles from for the past oooo 16 years I've been collecting … I am however liking the splash of JAM in the TOH posted here.

I hope to hear new JAMs new 'stuff' for KOST soon, either on here, on the webstream or via Jon @ JAM as he likes to showcase new packages on jingles.com …

But guys, like KOST itself … let's keep things 'lite' here on JM lols

[DavidHemsley]

Bryan Simmons wrote:

This is not a secret. If it were there wouldn't have been any posts at all by me about it. Our competition is very aware of this info as well. I DO NOT give out company secrets, have always been a loyal company man, and still am. But perhaps you have a point, so I'll stop posting any info. I'm sure there are other sources for news about this…

Of course, it's up to you if you decide to give us the info . . . was just pointing out that some stations would frown on an employee doing so.

Just didn't want you getting into trouble with your bosses – it's very easy for people here to say “post and be damned” – but it isn't their paid work on the line.

But if they have told you it's not a secret then fair do's . . . .

[DavidHemsley]

flamin'GOOD_ST wrote:
I hope we can move on, but of course it is a shame if no more info is forthcoming on this subject because of 'niggling' …

It isn't niggling – some if not most stations would frown on such info being made public and I was just making sure that Bryan was not getting into any trouble with his bosses . . . .

[simon_t123Member]

David Hemsley wrote:

It isn't niggling – some if not most stations would frown on such info being made public and I was just making sure that Bryan was not getting into any trouble with his bosses . . . .

Fair enough David, it's just a shame that info will now not be forthcoming

I for one do not know of any other reliable sources of KOST / JAM info !!!

I guess patience is a virtue …

[ratnobMember]

Couldn't agree more. It's that kind of finger-wagging attitude which stops good people from posting. It's especially galling when people inside radio are put off by 'the experts' on the outside. But 'twas ever thus …

[tyty21]

love the cut! really! dig! it!

[LenGroat]

David: I think you'll agree if you re-read your comment:

“I was just making sure that Bryan was not getting into any trouble with his bosses..”

..that it is not your place to 'make sure' for Bryan. He's a total professional and perfectly able to make his own decisions. In contributing on here he is one of the most important ON radio people we have (as well as being a fluent warm broadcaster).

Bryan: I hope you will feel free to continue to contribute; KOST is one of the last vestiges of 'great radio jingles' we have left to discuss, in this age of screechy, synthentic 'themes'.

Even some people in British radio (who should know better) are going the 'theme' route when they are free to buy Dallas material, and that is very sad.

The fact Bryan both UNDERSTANDS and USES jingles, make his contributions on here extremely VALID.

My best wishes to you both

Len

[DavidHemsley]

Yes, and I wasn't discouraging Bryan from posting, I was just wanting to clear up hat it was the right thing to be doing . . .

I've been out of radio for many years now – maybe policy on such matters have changed.

I was just trying to be helpful – my apologies if people took it the wrong way . . .

[GlennaMember]

Bryan;
Thanks for your heads up.
Something to look forward to.

[Bryan Simmons]

To all of you who have come to my defense, thank you. I originally came to this site because of my love for great jingles. I have been fortunate to be able to play some of the world's best jingles since 1985 and I have been described by those who know me as being “passionate” about the subject. I felt very welcomed by all of the nice people here and I suppose what upset me is the feeling that someone was stirring up trouble where none existed. I've seen that happen to others in other situations and it can harm their job's and careers. Yes, 25 or 30 years ago it may have been secret information when a station goes to get new jingles created. In this situation it was not secret. Now that most stations in the US are owned by just a handful of companies, there is little that is secret, or for that matter worried about by management in most situations. Thanks to sites like Radio-Info everyone pretty much knows what their competition is doing. As I stated earlier, I would not divulge anything that is deemed secret. But I did get upset. Why make such a public post that makes it look like I was violating station rules? That draws attention. I was reticent to post at all, then felt that my initial feelings about it were correct when I saw that post. At any rate, I will still try to give you all info when I can, but as before, only when it is appropriate and okay with my supervisors. Again, thank you for coming to my defense. As my mother would say to me, forgive and forget. So lets let Mr. Hemsley slide on this one, he thought he was correct and meant no harm. B~

A special thanks to Len and Geoff for their very kind words.

[IainJohnstonMember]

Gentlemen…

As is so often said (and has to be reminded) on JM, a “Forum” by definition is a place where differing points-of-view on topics (of whatever kind) can be freely debated (even heatedly!) without fear of personal attack (within the laws of the land on libel etc).

JMers are reminded that at the top right-hand-corner of each Post, there is a small “Report” button/icon – this can be used to send a private Report to Admin for investigation should a Member feel that another Member's Post is becoming directed at a bit too personal a level or the contents of the Post are unsuitable in some (meaningful, non-trivial) way, e.g. illegal material, misuse of intellectual property, etc.

Fortunately, duelling at mist-shrouded dawn with loaded pistols and accompanied by one's Seconds went out of fashion some time ago…!
:^)

[ratnobMember]

Main thing is: let's celebrate the return of KOST as it should sound (JAM through and through), and thanks Bryan for keeping us posted.

[MarcMannetje]

Hi all,

Hi totally agree with Geoff: let's celebrate the wonderful comeback of JAM to KOST. And of course, a professional like Bryan will always only tell what can be told… Thanks again for sharing!

All the best from Holland / where the JAM syndicaters are!

[mjb1124Member]

Looks like the resurrection of the old JAM top-of-the-hour jingles was very short-lived, and not because of the arrival of a new JAM TOH. They went back to using the TOH from ReelWorld ONE a few days ago. There are some JAM cuts elsewhere, but RW jingles are still prominent. That new JAM package can't come soon enough!

[Bryan Simmons]

Yes, for some inexplicable reason one of the powers that be, above my bosses head made us change them back until the new package from JAM arrives. I cannot begin to tell you how good these cherry picked JAM ID's from the mid 90's sounded. The airstaff was just so happy to use them. I was told that since our contract with RW had expired we needed to remove all of their product immediately. This was why we went for temporary JAM TOH Jingles to begin with, but as bad as this all seems to sound, the good news is that our new package is in production this week at JAM in Dallas and we literally cannot wait. I believe that the station's sound will benefit from the new jingles greatly. All I can say is “soon”!!!

[LenGroat]

Bryan ~ thanks for the personal update.

It's very SAD when 'radio politics' take over from common-sense, and good taste. The 'bottom line' is that KOST needs JAM jingles as for many listeners, they have ALWAYS been there !

The listeners will expect them and NOTICE the change to inferior identification ~ it's like when 'improved','new' Coca Cola was issued.

The lesson was known by David O'Selznick in 1939..

'I've learned not to mess with success'.

[mjb1124Member]

Thanks for the update Bryan. I had a feeling this was the case. At least we have good news about the new package.

[mjb1124Member]

Thought I'd post a montage of the newer JAM cuts I've recorded on KOST over the past few months. These are all based on the KEZK Up2date package. Say what you will about JAM vs. RW, but you can't deny that JAM does a much more thorough customization job.

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