[LenGroat]

Michael 1984 :

'Anyways, this thread is dead now'*

You think so??? I think it's drawn out some very relevant statements from people who like jingles but have no understanding of RADIO.

The thread IS dead if you (and others) are incapable of giving a logical thought out response to a constructively written reponse to one of your posts.

I'm really sorry. . . . that I spent so long making my point; I did not realise your interest was so shallow.

(*.. just brush it aside with a flippant comment… )

And enjoy listening just to the demos, rather than the jingles ON the RADIO.

[coolnt]

Long live jingles! Long live people who love jingles! I just realized were all mad at jingles. After all, why else did we call this site Jinglemad?

Alrightee! Here is the 2007 KDWB demo for ReelWorld ONE.

In the context of production, RW and Tony have different ways of painting the picture, but both did it incredibly well.

http://www.jinglenews.com/audio/jingles/kdwb07.mp3

Again, you can't compare Da Vinci's painting with Michelangelo's.

Wohoo!

[applejack]

Both RW and N2/M-Edge are very good….I tend to lean on the Tony Valdez side…I like his better. A consistent lineup of hits (in my opinion).

I'm a fan of most CHR jingles anyway.

Jingle Madder's are a bit Mad…but that's perfectly fine. Being mad about something just means you love it and have passion for it. So be MAD!

Applejack-

[JingleMadMember]

I maybe a consultant to KOST, but I also help other radio stations out. I love them in any way, format and jingle package. It's my unpayed job and I love it.

[martinlesterMember]

LenGroat wrote:
Ref Michael 1984

'But Len that is of no fault of M-Edge. You are veering off course by criticizing how KDWB use their jingles. We are discussing the package not KDWB as a station'

WHO SAYS 'we are discussing the package' and 'not KDWB as a Station' ? !

The ONLY place that can USE the 'KDWB package' is KDWB, and jingles are (or have you forgotten) designed to be USED!

YOUR suggestion is clearly that we (Jingle Madders) only sit and listen to jingles out of context, and not the jingles ON AIR on the station they were made for!

The ONLY way you CAN appreciate/debate jingles is if you listen to them/ if they WORK, on air, or in this case, if they do not work. The station that ordered them IS responsible for using them, so it's perfectly 'fair game' for a discussion.

However, it seems under your scenario you only want to allow discussion of the demos??? That is like buying a car but not being able to DRIVE it!

Len Groat (sreechy female vocals over synth drums with LOTS of echo..)

I have to agree with Len, what the package sounds like ON AIR is just as important as what the Demo Sounds Like

In the past Len has was not keen on a Zone Package but as I pointed out at the time It did work on air

The Fact is the PD you would have expected him to know what type of music was played on the station so he should have at least 1 slow cut to blend in with the slow music played

This is of course a common mistake a lot of PD's overlook
Len's ex station Smooth on the 1st week it went on the Air, I remember at 1am had a Rock Type Jingle Blasted out just after the news followed by Frank Sinatra all the way!

It just goes to show a little thought on what the whole of the station sounds like before ordering a Jingle package can pay off in the long run

[JingleMadMember]

Martin Lester wrote: I have to agree with Len, what the package sounds like ON AIR is just as important as what the Demo Sounds Like

There is no denying that. Nobody stated otherwise.

Martin Lester wrote:
The Fact is the PD you would have expected him to know what type of music was played on the station so he should have at least 1 slow cut to blend in with the slow music played

That is exactly the point I was trying to get across. M-Edge have done a custom package for a client that doesn't want any slow cuts. If KDWB want to run fast idents into a song with a slow tempo it's their call not M-Edge.

For the record I don't work for M-Edge. I like the jingles and I like KDWB as a station. Thats as far as my association goes.

[LenGroat]

Michael:

This has gone full circle and we have 'met' as regards your last point.

Please note that in in none of my posts have I criticised 'M Edge' ~ my points were about the aesthetics: the style of the jingles, legibility, musicality, and of course HOW the STATION uses them. All these were 'the call' of the PD of KDWB.

Of course I know 'M Edge'only make what the station asks for (or perhaps what someone else from Clear Channel asked for?) so it is not their 'fault', but rather symptomatic of what is wrong with ALL radio in 2009, particularly multi-ownership groups taking over local stations with no SENSITIVITY for the local market. It's as bad that a supposed 'Heritage station' puts out a syndicated National show at 10am, as it is that they do not have SLOW jingles to go into slow music. And British radio is no better believe me, as Martin pointed out. Jingles out of breaks are rotated by the computer and in the case of Smooth (and Saga before it) the jingle was not tempo coded, so if the presenter did not change it, you had a tEmPoClAsH ~ exactly as KDWB are doing every day now.

I have no problem if people on here just want to exchange casual comments such as 'I like the 2003 one', 'I like the 2005 package', but IF we are to have a PURPOSE/ GOAL on this forum, surely it's to try to IMPROVE how radio jingles are made AND used?

Thoughtfully

Len

[MidwestP]

Radio.Jingles wrote:
Long live jingles! Long live people who love jingles! I just realized were all mad at jingles. After all, why else did we call this site Jinglemad?

Alrightee! Here is the 2007 KDWB demo for ReelWorld ONE.

In the context of production, RW and Tony have different ways of painting the picture, but both did it incredibly well.

http://www.jinglenews.com/audio/jingles/kdwb07.mp3

Again, you can't compare Da Vinci's painting with Michelangelo's.

Wohoo!

Just heard the audio and I love it! KDWB 07 has a RW KDWB 96/97 feel that I liked. Wished more stations picked up that package.

[coolnt]

the KDWB logo is classic. Just a question though did JAM invent the KDWB logo?

Here a KDWB package from JAM after their transition from AM to FM.

http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1253350295_542_FT75265_kdwb.mp3 filename:kdwb.mp3

[coolnt]

“…but IF we are to have a PURPOSE/ GOAL on this forum, surely it's to try to IMPROVE how radio jingles are made AND used?”

Jingle producers (like JAM, IQ, Wise Buddah, M-Edge, amongst others) appreciate the existence of websites like JingleMad.com where radio producers, broadcasters, and enthusiasts exchange intelligent discussions.

Most jingle companies, however, find “some” to be offensive, detrimental,and CALUMNIOUS. Other than being helpful.

[WalterEego]

The present KDWB logo is derived of the 1960s Pam's one for KFWB channel 98 Los angeles tweeked a bit by TM in the seventies then is into what its eventualy become now

[LenGroat]

Radio.Jingles

Ref:

'Jingle producers (like JAM, IQ, Wise Buddah, M-Edge, amongst others) appreciate the existence of websites like JingleMad.com where radio producers, broadcasters, and enthusiasts exchange intelligent discussions.

Most jingle companies, however, find “some” to be offensive, detrimental,and CALUMNIOUS. Other than being helpful.'

I find your use of 'offensive, detrimental,and CALUMNIOUS' most puzzling. Music, be it a song or a jingle is in the public domain, and we all have things we REALLY like and REALLY do NOT like, and are free to express those opinions.

I'd never even heard of M-Edge before this topic, and my comments about the KDWB package are pretty much what I have written about some other jingle companies who have 'screechy vocals and too much echo' – statements of FACT in MY opinion.

But, if people LIKE 'screechy vocals and too much echo' then they are also free to say so!

Sadly this topic seems to have been 'steered' by some collectors who believe in only making POSITIVE comments. If we were ONLY to do that on here, it would make the site's existence totally pointless.

Jingles are 'just a box of chocolates' – NO one likes every flavour?

Ultimately only TIME will tell which are the 'good' jingles that which will be remembered, as the 'bad' ones will be forgotten. My 'bet' is that jingles from 1975-2000 will be considered 'better' than those produced since the turn of the century.

As regards: 'Other than being helpful.'

I have NO idea what this last 'sentence' meant.

Len

[AndyWaltersMember]

The JAM KDWB demo had a much older 'Channel 63' jingle at the start of it. I haven't got a clue who did that or even if it was mocked up for the demo but that company must have originated it and JAM reused it. Gotta be a good thing to have that logo thread as a consistency through the years. Perhaps Jon may venture on here to comment. PAMS perhaps???

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