[martinlesterMember]

I notice that on the s/c “related files” to the demo there’s “airchecks” of some of his shows (one has
David Hamilton “sitting in”), JAM R1 (and possibly PAMS?) countdown cut number acapellas seem
to already be in use?

One file seems (and I apologise if I’m mis-interpreting this…) appears to be the programme
going out on the World Service feed (???).

There was a sequence of about 4 JAM Radio 1 Chart jingles strung together – he’s certainly showing off his collection of the R1 master reels.

For Info :

His Reply to this is shown below

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The BBC Vintage Top 40 Show hosted by the likes of David Hamilton, Mike Read and myself were recorded many, many years ago and are now getting repeated on Soundcloud! World Service always used the old R1 chart jingles

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[martinlesterMember]

I posted the Link about the new jingles on Facebook and below is Shaun Tilley reply, I am sure Len and Jon will find this interesting, must be the first person that I have come across that works in Radio that has Zero interest in the Jingles, most people I know consider the Jingles on the Radio a most important part of the whole craft of the show / Presentation

I am sure if Len got the same Gig he would be cherry picking out the JAM Jingles but looks like the whole selection was made by S2Blue
who was told to get on with it

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Hi, thanks for sharing the link. Jeez, where do I start. I ‘genuinely’ appreciate that you guys are really passionate about jingles ok. But being really honest with you, I am as far away from being a jingle buff as you can be despite my 33 years on the air so far. And though I have immense respect for the craft that goes into jingle making, I’ve never understood why anybody would choose to listen to a C-90 or CD full of jingles when they could be enjoying Steely Dan or ELO’s Greatest Hits. I’m sorry if you feel offended by that but that’s how I honestly feel about jingles. And having worked for some of the biggest stations in the country, I’ve no doubt played some of the finest jingles ever.

However, apart from The Station Of The 80s package I played on Radio Luxembourg, I truthfully couldn’t name you any other…not one Re : 70s and 80s Heaven, the brief was to have re-sung jingles that typified those decades. And hearing what S2Blue did with the 60s jingles for Radio 2, they were the obvious choice to produce them. And that is the extent of the thought I put into it. Forgive me but the R2 60’s re-sings aren’t the original singers either right!? Furthermore, I’m certainly NOT trying to re-create any R1 sound of the 70s and 80s as somebody claimed on the forum, that’s a ridiculous comment. We’re just giving a tiny nod in appreciation to that era.

It’s also important to mention that the BBC were nothing to do with the commissioning of these jingles as 70s and 80s Heaven is produced by my company. So the ‘nail in the coffin’ comment is as ludicrous as it is laughable. Passion and appreciation for this sort of thing is one thing but I’m at a total loss as to why radio and jingle fanatics get so irate and hot under the collar about this. There is a real world out there for goodness sake. I’ve just got back from a lovely meal with my beautiful wife in Greenwich and life is very good. Tomorrow, I can’t wait to see my youngest 2 kids after school and driving them home, I’ll be listening to Steely Dan’s Greatest Hits, certainly NOT jingles. Even if I wanted to, which I don’t, my kids would think I was barmy and rightly so! Finally and this is important, I’d just like to say that I’m a programme maker who produces shows for the largest audience possible. I don’t make radio with (pardon me for using the word) anoraks in mind. A typical listener couldn’t care less who sings the jingles as long as the mood is right. Although, if fans of radio in the 70s and 80s happen to like my shows then that’s great!!

Please feel free to pass this on to those who’ve vented their spleen. They’ve had their pop so it’s only fair I get to express my view too. I won’t be making any further comment though. Sincerely, Shaun Tilley.

[DuncanNewmarchMember]

Where do we start indeed?

Not everyone in radio has to love jingles of course, John Peel hardly ever played his name check cut. I think he played it once… as a joke.

JAM’s own slogan “we care what it sounds like” says everything. If you’re going to be on the radio you have to care about each and every element of your station/programme- every song, every link, every contest, the trails and of course- the jingles. Jingles clearly play a major part in Shaun’s programmes, he’s just had 20 cuts recorded and licensed which is still big money. Why wouldn’t you care??? Being an anorak (a term I take as a compliment, some of the most talented people I’ve ever met have been really into their chosen profession) I notice that the beginning of Radio 1’s Flame Thrower #6 “action radio!” has been included in that montage, whoever went to the trouble of ripping that from the R1 master also cares about jingles.

I have to say that I wasn’t irate or hot under the collar when I heard the montage, I just thought it was a great shame… and waste of money. Oh, if you do read this Shaun, some of my JAM personal cuts sound amazing going into Mr Blue Sky.

[GrahamCollins]

Here, have some jingles…..

Disappointing to see the comments above. Thanks for posting Martin. I am struggling to resist the temptation to fire back but what’s the point ? What’s done is done.

[mbMember]

What he said /

[IanF]

Freedom of speech at the end of the day. His response has not changed my viewpoint. In fact in strenthens it! Now, where did I put my anorak…..

[LenGroat]

This is rather like the Brexit, or NO Brexit debate – there can never be agreement.

Or if we take ‘radio’ as an ‘art’ form, the different ways the cuts are sung is the difference between buying a print or an original oil painting. To many people, they ‘look the same’; a discerning few know the difference…

[mjb1124Member]

Not sure why Shaun Tilley even bothered to have jingles if that’s the way he felt about them. I fully understand that average listeners, and even a lot of radio people, aren’t so into jingles, but there’s no need to be so snooty about it. He seemed to take this as if it was an attack on him personally – if anything, the people at S2Blue are the ones that would be in a position to defend themselves. But ah well, at least there’s still stations here in the States that clearly put a lot of care into their jingle selection, like 100.9 K-Hits FM in Connecticut as posted in another recent thread.

[MikeHoward]

I’m not trying to insult Shaun at all, and I hope this doesn’t come out that way (or as gobbledygook). I equate the use of jingles on a radio station to a professional utilizing tools in order to perform a desired task. If you want a quality job done, you use the right tools. Listeners do appear to care about jingles. My kids hate jingles (oops – my fault – teenagers exposed to many years of them…), yet will comment if I’m playing one (or the radio’s on) where the singing is bad. If he’s producing shows for the largest audience possible, wouldn’t he want to use a quality product where the singers enunciate the words properly?

[gameswizardMember]

“There is a real world out there for goodness sake.”

I wonder if he thinks we’re sat here listening to jingles 24/7?

[IanF]

“There is a real world out there for goodness sake.”

I wonder if he thinks we’re sat here listening to jingles 24/7?

We just hurt him a little and he was defensive in return I think. A bit of ego there too which makes up for a lot of radio presentation in every sector. He’s a great presenter in his own right. I liked his Signal 1 shows back in the day too. He’s also human which means he doesn’t get it right all the time. None of us do! This applies to S2Blue. If I was was given the honour, with 7 singers, or even 3 to stack vocal, to sing over JAM tracks, I would do my best to do a great job ‘every time’ and to adhere to the standards set at Parkdale Drive, Dallas. It is hard work and takes and long time to do this but worth it with the end product as previous S2Blue resings have shown. I wouldn’t sleep at night if ‘paid’ singers weren’t peforming as good as they could. A bit of national pride there too….If Top Format can do it , we can too even if we weren’t singing as much as them As stated earlier listeners “do” pick up on this kind of thing. If they talk about the X Factor that applies to other singing in other formats.However, onwards and upwards with this. I look forward to hear what comes out of Greenbank Road next regarding resings……time for a cup of tea….

[JAM / PAMSMember]

A typical listener couldn’t care less who sings the jingles

A typical listener also couldn’t care less about the type of microphone you use, who made the cable that connects your transmitter to the antenna, how impressed you are with your voice-over guy, or how clever you think your music rotation software is. Does that mean you shouldn’t use the best possible? The quality of any project is the sum of its parts. ‘Nuff said.

[bobgreenradioMember]

well, right on point about the listeners…..i think.
if the double negative is just a mistake, then, i can say “exactly”!
the listener could care less about all of it.

kinda like ice cream. not everybody likes brand “x” best….unless its priced on sale, or even better, is free!

funny how free gets converts.

[GrahamCollins]

I am definitely not a typical listener, as I do care what mic is being used……

[Spoons]

I was once told “if you can’t say anything nice, then don’t say anything at all”

Here goes…

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(That’s all I have to say)

[radio_blokeMember]

Ditto spoons

[UKJinglesMember]

What a load of audio doggie doo………..
S2Blue can “do” certain JAM Cuts (obviously not seven voice harmonies that only JAM does best!)
PatMan I think pulled it off with these JAM re-sings but then he is a (jingle) Pro!!!

[GrahamCollins]

I’m not sure Pete….. It still baffles me why anyone would not go to the source for JAM resings.

[IanF]

A better job from S2Blue. Well done guys and respect to Tony Mullins of Moorlands Radio too!

[tonymullins]

Ian, you beat me to it! I’m a HUGE Jam fan, I have a few JAM and PAMS jingles now. However; Steve, Sarah, Simon and Michael were brilliant, allowed me to sit in the session at the old Alfasound studios (the anorak in me loved it!) I was ok to chip in after each take, give my opinion on the takes, give my view on the final harmonies and the final rough mix. I was consulted by Steve Butler before the session on which versions I wanted (z100 or R1) and I understand Jon W provided the sheet music/each voice part. Having seen the sheet music (especially cut 17 of Z-Force) I have a new appreciation of how cleverly the vocal parts are written.

[rakMember]

The first Shaun Tilley show for BBC SX/SY is on Soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/shaun-tilley-1/shaun-tilleys-70s-and-80s-heaven-25317-bbc-sussexsurrey

[rakMember]

Just having a listen to this week’s programme on Soundcloud, and he played Steal Away by Robbie Dupree – had a quick listen to Special Touch (JAM) – it’s definitely Cut 9, isn’t it? I’m sure Radio Trent/Trent FM had a cut based on that song as well. Cue Len…

https://soundcloud.com/shaun-tilley-1/shaun-tilleys-70s-and-80s-heaven-22417-bbc-sussexsurrey 40 minutes in
http://jingles.com/audio/d_SpecialTouch.mp3

I do wish he’d play the Alfasound generic Saturday jingle (or the other days on the cart loop!)

[LenGroat]

“I’m sure Radio Trent/Trent FM had a cut based on that song as well. Cue Len.”

Yes we did!

Or was it ‘He’s So Shy’ the Pointer Sisters, or Doobie Brothers ‘What a fool believes’ ?!

[rakMember]

I’ve never heard that Pointer Sisters track before. I think this Trent cut https://soundcloud.com/davidfurness/trent6 came from that Pointer Sisters track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CIKNOiajU4

And – the Robbie Dupree cut inspired Special Touch 9. Interestingly, when I looked up that Dupree track on YouTube, there were comments accusing him of ripping off “What a Fool Believes”. All interesting stuff…

Edit: Thinking about it, I think the Trent cut was more inspired by this Dupree track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t18Y2s2T4Fc

[gameswizardMember]

I think the Trent cut was more inspired by this Dupree track

Definitely. No doubt about it.

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