[Rockin]

Has anyone taken a listen to Palm 105.5 recently, it certainly sounds as if they are succumbing to the power of The breeze, even so far as having re-sings of their package on air now… does anyone have any of the full cuts?

[LenGroat]

I have no idea who makes/sings these jingles but the word ‘Palm’ being a single syllable SURELY needed to be placed in an emphasised position? As it is, it’s gone in a second, and with no ‘breath space’ before or after it, sounds like ‘Arm 105.5’ !

I would have put a meaty word before it….. so it led IN to the station name sung far more CLEARLY…

“Devon’s station – Palmmmm (pause or melody logo) 105.5…”

There’s no point having sung idents if the average listener cannot HEAR the key word?

[GrahamCollins]

Len, you should have known – it’s the champions of incoherent lyrics and way too much echo’d reverb….. Yes, Reelworld take the blame for these.

[glen]

You forgot fingernails on chalkboard vocals!

[IainJohnston]

Around the loop we go – same as the “unfortunate” Thompson Creative effort for Palm.
Lesson NOT learned by someone at pmmmmmumble.

The UK-English accented name itself is so intrinsically “soft” – unless sung with a strong, even harsh, Dallas accent as in the old self-promotion cuts for PAMS.

But as Len says, with a trend to single-syllable station/”brand” names for today’s stations, it needs something to “carry” it…

…Since front-padding words have already been sooked-up by many other “single-syllable” channels, e.g. “This Is ….” has been totally-bagged by Gl&bal, “You’re On The …” by Celad0r, “Waving on the Promenade” long gone, what can we suggest for the poor, imagination-stretched acoustically-challenged management at “Pmm”???

[Good Time Oldie]

Here we go again…

Admin, why is it if these comments were aimed at a certain Dallas jingle company the thread would have been “closed”, yet you appear to allow the bashing of other jingle companies from the usual suspect(s) ? – any chance of a level playing field please?

God only knows what Reelworld/Wise B etc think of us on here, or are we only interested in the thoughts of one owner?

Come on guys, if you’ve nothing postive/constructive to say, don’t say anything at all

[GrahamCollins]

GTO, don’t knock us, just put the alternative point of view.

If you want to defend these jingles, fair enough, that is what makes discussion interesting.

I don’t suppose the non Dallas jingle companies actually give a monkey’s what we say here – this site is supposedly for fun not a showcase for production companies…. We are the anoraks and by being interested and part of this forum, are not normal listeners – and I mean that in a nice way.

In fact I will say that my local station is a ‘Breeze’ and I applaud their use of sung imaging – the jingle is catchy, no question. I like it. I say ‘it’ because there is essentially one jingle and 200 mixes of it! I exaggerate slightly

Anyway, nothing that has been said here is defamatory or personally abusive (as was the case when a recent thread about JAM was pulled) it is only our opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Good Time Oldie]

Graham, fair points and I take them onboard, however you said…..

“I don’t suppose the non Dallas jingle companies actually give a monkey’s what we say here”

I happen to know that’s not true, they do care, why wouldn’t they?

“the jingle is catchy, no question. I like it”

So why not say that?

Finally…

“this site is supposedly for fun not a showcase for production companies”

Are you sure?, you’re not telling me that drip feeding us Personal cuts isn’t helping to promote (showcase) a particular jingle company?

I just think we should cut the guys at Reelworld etc some slack and who knows they may want to join us on here instead of hearing the “same old, same old” comments from people that would never buy one of their jingles in a hundred years anyway.

[LenGroat]

I made only constructive comments in my post. We MUST be able to DISCUSS jingles merits/ bad points ~ there would be NO point in having a ‘Barbie’ site where we all just say “isn’t this nice…” ?

“I just think we should cut the guys at Reelworld etc some slack and who knows they may want to join us on here instead of hearing the “same old, same old” comments from people that would never buy one of their jingles in a hundred years anyway.”

It’s NOT personal – I had NO idea it was by Reelworld. It was just another of those ‘exactly the same high end note logo’ modern jingles. WHY ‘cut them slack’ if they produce/sell material where the station name is VERY unclear? They owe it to the client/ their reputation to make material that is sung/mixed CLEARLY.

“You’re not telling me that drip feeding us Personal cuts isn’t helping to promote (showcase) a particular jingle company? “

Sorry but that is NONSENSE. 1. several companies offer personal cuts, 2. they do not ‘drip-feed’ them, they have a back-log of orders as they are also busy with full price clients.

[Good Time Oldie]

Of course jingle companies don’t “drip feed” the jingles, how could they, we have to buy them, so they only produce what we ask for, I was talking about people who load their personal cuts on here – whilst very welcome (and enjoyable) , that by it’s very nature is “showcasing” a product/service surely

Yes?, No?, just me then – Admit, I’ll get my coat!

[professor1036]

Thanks Rockin for posting the off-air bits. Quite nice sounding jingles…I like them!

[simon_t123Member]

If thought about … the whole point may just be that the word ‘Palm’ is meant to vanish into the ether ?! This after all would appear to be a pre-cursor to Palm becoming a Breeze network station … Making the ‘Palm’ bit a little less noticeable could quite well suit the company aims … but it’s quite unusual to get resings (possibly from RW expensive resings !) to aid in transition … Heritage ILR’s transitioning to the ‘Heart’ brand only had instrumental versions of an early Heart package, and the heritage names eventually became less important with straplines such as the “Heart Of Essex – Essex FM” … I’ve no doubt it’s a soft transition of Palm to Breeze, but maybe the purchase of sung ID’s signals that it won’t be an overnight change, why waste money after all !

I find the Reelworld jingles here pretty good, the ID’s for The Breeze and Tindle group stations have all been very good, well produced but yes different to what purists prefer, and certainly no match for JAM on stations like KOST, but RW do have their place

[Admin]

Perhaps we should just rebrand to jammad.com and be done with it.

[professor1036]

If thought about … the whole point may just be that the word ‘Palm’ is meant to vanish into the ether ?! This after all would appear to be a pre-cursor to Palm becoming a Breeze network station

Maybe its just me…but “Palm” sounds clearly sung, no problems there,

I need to hear more examples of the package…

[glen]

I do like some of RW’s KYGO stuff but alot of the jingles they make ( including countr)} are too to much vocals. The country ones I think of is KASE AND WYCD. It sounds like their Rock jingles.

[mbMember]

I think as has been said the soft start of the name makes it quite hard. Pulse, Plymouth sound, Premier all had P’s but with a harder end palm is so soft and short I guess its hard to make clear. The station for not having a name that has punch is partly to blame.

I’ve always quite liked the rather punchy Reelword sings and they have some awesome packages. More recently they’ve gone more bland but I guess that’s the clients.

I do think they are a little harsh for Breeze but that’s my opinion of the jingles chosen for the station not the production values of the jingles.

The Thompson jingles were not a master class in matching jingles with a name!

[Dazza64]

Although I personally actually quite like the new jingles as a regular listener to the station, it’s probably a little unfair to ‘blame’ Palm 105.5 for them – seems the station has been well and truly Celador’ed – their playlist is now the same as The Breeze network and in fact, quite sadly, they are now playing exactly the same songs in the same order, just with localised voicetracking on their evening show. Don’t think we’ll be hearing the Palm 105.5 resings for too long before they become Breezy …

[LenGroat]

Good to see this has turned into a ‘discussion’ – points for and against – it lets us use the (undoubted) pool of knowledge JM’ers have.

As regards “seems the station has been well and truly Celador’ed – their playlist is now the same as The Breeze network and in fact, quite sadly, they are now playing exactly the same songs in the same order”

It’s nothing to do with Jingles but a VERY valid point. The station is clearly too lazy to at least try and use the same songs in a different order.

It’s a pity that Celador are following in the (muddy) footsteps of Global and Bauer with their unimaginative syndication. All of them could do more local shows WITHOUT spending much more – there are plenty of young would-be dj’s who’d love to have a chance – instead it all comes from London or regional centres. My generation were fortunate to be in ILR in its ‘local’ years – with large jingle budgets

[Walkerbroadcasting]

I’ve been an online listener to Palm 105.5 from here in the USA since the days of CJ Monroe (Glenn Richgards) as a presenter and owner/stakeholder in the station.

CJ’s style was a bit unconventional and off the wall.. but she was enjoyable to listen to for the most part.

That being said, Palm 105.5 sounds VERY good these days.. very tight, very professional. I like the jingles and the overall sound of the station.

Just because a station is small doesn’t mean they have to sound it.

[simon_t123Member]

On that ‘off’ topic point of same songs same order … does it save networks royalty fees doing this or something ? I.E can they claim their ‘network’ only plays the song one instead of each studio base counting for fees ? is that the reason this happens ?

Some networked stations seem to have jingles, ramps & sweepers playlisted identically also … But I can’t see the total sense in making them all the same, would it matter if the same songs or jingles came around in a different order ?

[jonnoMember]

I remember a few years ago (probably in their RIL days), The Quay (Portsmouth), Isle of Wight Radio and possibly Spirit FM (Chichester).. although I stand to be corrected on that one, all ran the same playlist/logs despite each having separate live programmes from their respective studios. It was quite odd flicking through them on the car radio hearing the same song on each station at a slightly different point in the track.

[IainJohnston]

“same songs same order … does it save networks royalty fees doing this or something ?”

This is something I’ve never seen properly explained on any UK radio forum.

I would have thought that the royalties would be a “flow” from each issued IBA/RA/Ofcom LICENSE per se?
Rather than “station”/”relay”/cluster, group, network or whatever.

I know that the royalty-fees “per play” in the UK have traditionally been quite swingeing ( £pounds a time) compared with a few cents in the USA or even Australia (where the stations used to keep A and B records lists in case of another dispute with the charging organisations – e.g. A list normal (high) fees, B list those tracks with lower or even no play fee. If hassled for a fee increase, they’d standby to ditch the A playlist and run the B until the “authorities” eased off.

I’m sure that the much higher cost per UK play must be another reason why the “UK” corporates want to force more networking – the saving of fewer “DJs” is needed to pay for the actual music plays? A jock on £50-£100 (really?) a shift could be LESS than the cost of the “songs” played – but “they” want “more music” and that costs more?

NOTE:- I know we could discuss the typical royalty-per-play of a sung jingle from any typical professional producer – but maybe that would be a bit ungentlemanly? (but certainly GWR in their day must have saved a fortune by changing to the (love-them-or-hate-them) Greg Marston V/O sweepers?)

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