[UKJinglesMemberAuthor]

Inferno wrote: Sad to say that David Arnold copied a W.BTanner jingle in the 1983 Essex Radio package. In the early 90’s TM copied a David Arnold jingle from the 1984 Radio 210 package. TM redid it for WCAU talkradio 1210. A cut for “Bruno in the morning”.
Trent 5 (1983) from Alfasound also copied a couple of jingles from a package for WROR from Jam! Where does it stop!

Can you post the “evidence” please Inferno?

Anyway to finally put the ALFASOUND and JAM argument to rest here’s the Great Man’s reply…….

What year did ALFASOUND tie up with JAM?
I believe it was 1989 when we concluded an agreement
I believe prior to JAM you spent a year or two with CENTURY 21??
Through Ben Freedman we recorded a small number of packages at Century 21 prior to 1989.

I’ve started a new thread (as they were getting boring) about Jingle rip offs
Not my favourite subject – we were asked by clients to do this sort of thing from time to time – sometimes we re-recorded Dallas tracks in case we were got into trouble with the Musicians Union. The very early Alfasound ones were down to an arranger (now dead) who disregarded the “sound alike” scores and just took down the original examples “note for note”….
I found 2 of the “Forgotten Ones” from early ALFASOUND and a few more have come out of the closet including David Arnold rip offs of TM and CENTURY 21!!!
You won’t be popular with the companies who did them – we all want to forget about that….

[Inferno]

petewilson” wrote:

Sad to say that David Arnold copied a W.BTanner jingle in the 1983 Essex Radio package. In the early 90’s TM copied a David Arnold jingle from the 1984 Radio 210 package. TM redid it for WCAU talkradio 1210. A cut for “Bruno in the morning”.
Trent 5 (1983) from Alfasound also copied a couple of jingles from a package for WROR from Jam! Where does it stop!

Can you post the “evidence” please Inferno?

I wish i could but i’m afraid i dont have the hardware and plus i’m sending this message from my local library.
The W.B.Tanner jingle in question i think is in the Jinglemad classic jingles downloads and the Trent 5 in the jingle Ark Alfasound page. Jam’s WROR package is also on the Jam classic jingles double cd with the orange cover.

[UKJinglesMemberAuthor]

Ok here’s another blatant rip off…..

Originally JAM then REELWORLD come along and nick elements from a couple of JAM cuts!!

[TServo2049]

I’m sure all of you know of TM Productions’ “You” package. Most of it was written and recorded by Dick Hamilton in Los Angeles, but TM snuck an extra, Dallas-made image song into the final demo, which even Hamilton didn’t know about when I asked him. Here it is (well, sort of; it’s from Emison’s UK resings of “You” for Beacon 303):

http://www.radiohistory.freeserve.co.uk/do7.rm

However, this jingle was “nicked” (as you people say) from the ABC television network’s fall 1974 promo campaign jingle! Here is the full 2-to-3-minute promo song for that ABC campaign:

http://www.tvparty.com/g2c/abcpromo74.ram

Though it is not as bad as some of the stuff I have heard here, TM’s “nicking” of ABC’s 1974 campaign is a pretty heinous crime, IMO. If you listen to the Beacon cut, it is painfully blatant…

Speaking of Beacon 303, Emison’s other package for Beacon 303, also heard on the Beacon 303 site, contains some JAM ripoffs (the site says that they were a JAM/Emison co-production, but I doubt it…). Listen to the second jingle in this file:

http://www.radiohistory.freeserve.co.uk/76c.rm

And then, listen to the JAM jingle which I presume the preceding jingle was a ripoff of, by listening to this file, starting at 02:42:

http://pete-wilson.net/media/jam2.mp3

Well, that’s all the “nicking” I can think of right now. I have heard several more great examples, but I do not have access to them anymore.

For example, for those of you who have the early-70s PAMS jingles for Radio 1, and William B. Tanner’s “Spirit” package, compare the PAMS “the station of the nation…Radio 1” jingle that starts with a violin, and has a horn section in between the promo line and the “Radio 1” name. Then, listen to the WBT “Spirit” jingle that goes “We’re playing it all, and it’s all for you…55 KSD.” You’ll notice that the opening violin part, and the horn section separating the promo line and station name, are both completely identical, note-for-note! If I had examples of these, I’d show them to you, but sadly, I don’t…

Well, that’s it for now.

-Jeffrey, just another jingle-crazed “Yank”

[enerjee]

TServo2049 wrote: I’m sure all of you know of TM Productions’ “You” package. Most of it was written and recorded by Dick Hamilton in Los Angeles, but TM snuck an extra, Dallas-made image song into the final demo, which even Hamilton didn’t know about when I asked him. Here it is (well, sort of; it’s from Emison’s UK resings of “You” for Beacon 303):

http://www.radiohistory.freeserve.co.uk/do7.rm

However, this jingle was “nicked” (as you people say) from the ABC television network’s fall 1974 promo campaign jingle! Here is the full 2-to-3-minute promo song for that ABC campaign:

http://www.tvparty.com/g2c/abcpromo74.ram

Though it is not as bad as some of the stuff I have heard here, TM’s “nicking” of ABC’s 1974 campaign is a pretty heinous crime, IMO. If you listen to the Beacon cut, it is painfully blatant…

Speaking of Beacon 303, Emison’s other package for Beacon 303, also heard on the Beacon 303 site, contains some JAM ripoffs (the site says that they were a JAM/Emison co-production, but I doubt it…). Listen to the second jingle in this file:

http://www.radiohistory.freeserve.co.uk/76c.rm

And then, listen to the JAM jingle which I presume the preceding jingle was a ripoff of, by listening to this file, starting at 02:42:

http://pete-wilson.net/media/jam2.mp3

Well, that’s all the “nicking” I can think of right now. I have heard several more great examples, but I do not have access to them anymore.

For example, for those of you who have the early-70s PAMS jingles for Radio 1, and William B. Tanner’s “Spirit” package, compare the PAMS “the station of the nation…Radio 1” jingle that starts with a violin, and has a horn section in between the promo line and the “Radio 1” name. Then, listen to the WBT “Spirit” jingle that goes “We’re playing it all, and it’s all for you…55 KSD.” You’ll notice that the opening violin part, and the horn section separating the promo line and station name, are both completely identical, note-for-note! If I had examples of these, I’d show them to you, but sadly, I don’t…

Well, that’s it for now.

-Jeffrey, just another jingle-crazed “Yank”

Interesting stuff. I always thought that “You” male vocal in the first file sounded like Andrew Gold! I had also heard (back in 1978) that the “You” package had been written by Barry Manilow.

WFIL, Philadelphia used that TM cut in 1975 before Beacon who didn’t air it until 1978.

Beacon 303 also used the same font type from ABC TV for its orignal logo.

I thought it was common knowledge that Beacon’s Emison/Yamco package from 1976 had ‘copied’ a few original JAM cuts. There are several of them in the file you’ve posted. Metro Radio (UK) had some of the cuts sung for them at around the same time (WMGK – “The Magic is the Music”;
Beacon – “The Music is the Sunshine”; Metro – The Music in the North East). With an American involved with both of these UK stations in the 1970’s none of this is surprising.

BBC Radio Two (UK) used the same package in the 1970s too.

[DavidHemsley]

There are some interesting words on sound alikes in the new Jingle Book by Don Worsham – The Hits Between The Hits.

Listen out to Jingle Network News tomorrow evening – you’ll hear a review and might win a copy!

Or buy it from http://www.jingles.org – worth the cover price for the accompanying CD alone!

[mumoss]

Sorry, old thread time!

Spoons wrote:
Well, here is the JAM parody:

http://www.unclespoons.btinternet.co.uk/SH-song.mp3

Is there any chance of re-uploading this, please? I've never heard it, and I'd love to…

[AndyWaltersMember]

If only I could find the BRMB side I could show you how similar they and Beacon sounded in 1989. On the MMI Demo tape there's a BRMB travel cut (ends with a sing 'BRMB in the sunshine with the hottest music') of which the bed sounds just like the bed on the Weather cut that Beacon were using at the time (JAM Turbo Z weather!)

[Barras]

Here`s a blatant JAM “rip-off”…

Firstly, you hear the JAM original from Q-Cuts #4 and then you hear the alleged “rip off” for CFOM in Canada by Selecsen jingles…

http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1254130515_3680_FT2078_jam_rip_off_qcuts_04.mp3 filename:jam_rip_off_qcuts_04.mp3

[JingleMadMember]

hay Pete: Bro i have downloaded them but the quality looks very low>

[LenGroat]

Ref:

“rip off” for CFOM in Canada by Selecsen jingles…

and the rip off company Selecsen could not even reproduce the key 'pretty bit' in the middle that does the transition..!

[gameswizardMember]

Barras wrote:
CFOM in Canada

why would CFOM (or any station) accept or even air such inferior 'copies'?
what do JAM say about this sort of thing?

[Barras]

The Q Cuts alleged rip-off for CFOM was actually from a few years ago and I did email Jon @ JAM about it – I don`t know if any action was taken or not though…

Selecsen allegedly ripped-off JAM`s Do It Again.

[Spoons]

John Hoare wrote:
Sorry, old thread time!

Well, here is the JAM parody:

Is there any chance of re-uploading this, please? I've never heard it, and I'd love to…

I love it when old threads come topical again. I've avidly re-read this and can't believe it's five years ago! I'll try and dig out the audio.

[Spoons]

OK then! It's taken a few months (OK then, nigh on a year) BUT I have great pleasure in re-posting this beauty. John, don't miss it!

SHsong.mp3 – 1.80MB

[mumoss]

Spoons wrote:
OK then! It's taken a few months (OK then, nigh on a year) BUT I have great pleasure in re-posting this beauty. John, don't miss it!

SHsong.mp3 – 1.80MB

Marvellous! Thank you.

I think I spy a handbag or five.

[mbMember]

Personally i think its a bit snide and undignified.

[Barras]

Am I right in saying that Sandy Beech was behind this ?

As SH was “Shit Hot” Productions run by Sandy Beech…

[IainJohnstonMember]

I think the very “English-sounding” female vocals on “all sound the bl&&dy same” at approx 1:05 might just have been a bit of a give-away!

[tvnutboy]

The only Jingle rip offs I can recall was Gwinsound's take on the Drake Jingles as demonstrated here (Realplayer required…Do people still use Realplayer?)….

http://www.wolf1490.net/WOLFGwinsoundTurnarounds.html

Also on that page, Gwinsound seemed to have ripped off PAMS' WLS Packages on several occasions….and I would like to admit that I once used Gwinsound with JAM singers at a station I used to work at. Happliy, they were not my idea.

[Spoons]

Michael Bolton wrote:
Personally i think its a bit snide and undignified.

You're not joking!

[Spoons]

Barras wrote:
Am I right in saying that Sandy Beech was behind this ?

As SH was “Shit Hot” Productions run by Sandy Beech…

I think you're right mate.

[Inferno]

Michael Bolton wrote:
Personally i think its a bit snide and undignified.

I totally agree with you. Sandy Beech's attitude towards JAM wasn't exactly respectful and he was written, in a sunday supplement in the early 2000s, as being “sniffy” regarding JAM jingles. It's a shame really.

[RobinBlamires]

He seemed to have taken that back at the Jinglemad meet up
by saying that JAM's CHR packages were what represented
radio to him when growing up.

Then again Music4's material has matured in recent years.

[mumoss]

I sure don't agree with his attitude towards JAM, or Dallas jingles in general – and if I was Jon Wolfert I'd have been really annoyed – but I have to admit to finding the parody funny. (I love both Blankety-Blank, and Filthy Rich & Catflap's completely disrespectful parody of it.)

Problem with the jingles at the end, though, is that they're not even remotely in the same class as JAM's stuff, and so his point falls flat. But then I suppose you have to view it within the context it was made, when JAM jingles had been right across UK radio; if you wanted something different, I could see how it could be viewed as refreshing. They're not my cup of tea, though. (His Moyles stuff is a different matter – love that.)

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