[IainJohnstonMember]

Personally, I feel it is rather unfair of Steve to claim that the company involved have changed the setting on their Yamaha/Casio FX1000…

The level of audio sophistication on this latest incarnation of the BBC Local generic package clearly demonstrates that the “image producer” is working at the cutting-edge of synth technology, having been to WH Smith and bought a 1978 Archive copy of ETI (Electronics Today International) and built for themselves the “ETI String Synthesiser Kit” with parts from Maplin, complete with Texas Instruments 7400-series NAND logic gates and National Semiconductor 741-series op-amps!

[DavidHemsley]

Erm . . . to be honest, I quite like the Mcasso imaging . . . it just fits with the BBC and doesn't bang in on the broadcasts – yeah it's sad that the stations have to use the same stuff or variations of it – but the overall sound is not bad at all.

[JustMatt]

If all the BBC Stations have to have this new imaging, how come some are getting S 2 Blue Jingles, whats the deal then, how have they got out of having the Mcasso stuff?

[fredgreek]

David Hemsley wrote:
Erm . . . to be honest, I quite like the Mcasso imaging . . . it just fits with the BBC and doesn't bang in on the broadcasts – yeah it's sad that the stations have to use the same stuff or variations of it – but the overall sound is not bad at all.

Despite having initially criticised it earlier on in this thread, I sort of agree with David on this.

Over Easter I was listening to BBC Hereford and Worcester, and when heard in context the jingles don't sound bad. They may not be the S2Blue or IQBeats style that many of you love, but that doesn't make them terrible.

The jingles are a little bit boring if you're the sort of person who records them off air and plays back nothing but the jingles for hours, but at the end of the day they're not designed for collecting – they're designed for being used as on air iodentification of a radio station.

I don't like all the cuts; the one that most so far seem to be using as the TOH I'm not too keen on, but I quite like the two which are used on BBC Radio York and BBC Radio Leeds.

[mbMember]

Just Matt wrote:
If all the BBC Stations have to have this new imaging, how come some are getting S 2 Blue Jingles, whats the deal then, how have they got out of having the Mcasso stuff?

They don't have to they are invited to. Editors with a background in news and little on air imaging experience tend to go for the centrally produced packages but others prefer to use thier budget on thier own. sorry david usually agree with you but on this one the who sound sucks big time!! It's awful totally awful. Stations are rushing to pick it up as they cannot use the same cuts as a neighbouring station so if you are last to pick it up and sations on 4 sides are using it you only have the (less) crappy cuts to choose from.
This package needs to be taken outside and shot to put it out of its misery.

[timbo]

…And here is (a clip of) the clean Leeds Bed without V/O. Send me a post if you want to trade for the fulls. I have a range of them. For anyone interested, heaven knows quite why, the clip is taken from cut NEWS-V4-CUT02-334-4.

And I think I've already said in this thread I'm not too adverse to this package, it has grown on me. Sure I'd prefer something else rather than all stations having the same sound, but I think many of the managing editors at local Beeb just are being squeezed for cash left right and centre. This is one way to save some cash. I don't think they can be blamed for that.

http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1271800130_1091_FT75978_leeds_news_edit.mp3 filename:leeds_news_edit.mp3

[JustMatt]

Maybe BBC Local radio should be centrally controlled so that they all have the same sound, as they do virtually the same thing, programme wise, it would be a good identity.

Mcasso imaging is different from the norm, and its good to be different, but I dont think BBC Stations should be able to choose indivialualy and the rest take the Mcasso.

[GB]

BBC Radio Bristol and BBC Somerset are the next ones to take up the package, according to Mcasso's website. I quite like this new imaging, particularly the close of the BBC Essex travel.

Does anyone know who created the current superb BBC Sussex/BBC Surrey package?

[fredgreek]

Still using their 2006 package at the moment, so guess they will be starting within the next week.

The Mcasso website says only 12 stations have their jingles so far, and there's 40 stations in BBC Local Radio – so there's still quite a way to go before everyone has them, and as we found the other day there are still cuts we haven't heard before.

[timbo]

“BBC Radio Bristol and BBC Somerset are the next ones to take up the package, according to Mcasso's website”

I quite like the Somerset/Bristol package at the moment…anyone have the Bristol version of the attached?

http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1272231475_1091_FT75978_som_news_60sec_edit.mp3 filename:som_news_60sec_edit.mp3

[Simon @ S2blueMember]

Hi,

As you know I’ve been working with Lee Turner on some new custom S2blue packages – we were talking about the BBC discussion on here and he’s asked me to post that the recent BBC Surrey/Sussex package was actually produced by himself and James Drew, working as Wicked Music Production.

In addition Wicked produced packages for BBC Solent, Leicester, Bristol, Somerset & Norfolk.

We also recently worked with Lee on the refreshed package for BBC Radio Cumbria – we remixed and revised instrumentation on some of the existing cuts, which were composed by Maurice Cheetham, with Lee working on a number of new cuts. There were new vocals added to all the reworked and new cuts.

On a side we’re doing the final mixing on the new customs with Lee (Mansfield, Hi FM in Oman and Spirit FM) so these should be on http://www.s2blueimaging.com in the near future.

[mbMember]

kewl look forward to hearing those!

[nick_allan]

timbo wrote:
“BBC Radio Bristol and BBC Somerset are the next ones to take up the package, according to Mcasso's website”

I quite like the Somerset/Bristol package at the moment…anyone have the Bristol version of the attached?

http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1272231475_1091_FT75978_som_news_60sec_edit.mp3 filename:som_news_60sec_edit.mp3

I absolutely love the news build from this package. Thanks for posting the BBC Somerset variant. From rummaging in the archives it would seem that these are based on a BBC Leicester package.

Enjoy the Bristol flavoured version!
http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1272708594_4510_FT75978_-_bbc_radio_bristol_-_news_build.mp3 filename:-_bbc_radio_bristol_-_news_build.mp3

[MikeBrown]

All I'm going to say is thank god I live in the Radio Humberside area!

[Steve_in_Pudsey]

The Leeds TOTH has a great advantage over some of the other variants – because it builds twice, changing quite significantly at 38 seconds in, it *should* be almost impossible for even the most inept presenter to crash the v/o

[IainJohnstonMember]

Just back from France, and having heard the excellent latest France Bleu (equivalent of BBC Locals) sung jingles, there is NO excuse for BBC Locals having to scrabble for the “pick” of the Meccano “package” (correct – little bits of fiddly stuff cheaply bolted together).

If the FB's can afford to have superb & distinctive custom sung material without any embarrassment of “overlapping” areas having the same jingles but with simply their location/department/city/region sung differently on the “end-tag”, why are the BBC so myopic?

(…and yes, I DID hear several Beebs with the new “idents” while driving down to the Hull ferry – the Scottish word “dreich” sums them up IMPO!)

[simon_t123Member]

Whatever I've said previously I've been collecting the ruddy things now … There is something about them that's not really that bad, and on the one hand it's nice to have things that conform to a framework whilst having a litte bit of locality in there, the local musical logo's seem to provide that to stations …

However … Whilst I say these things, I'm by now getting a bit tired of hearing the stuff here in Essex, if there's 700+ cuts why do stations only seem to be rolling out several ? Essex presenters get max 2 ID's it they are lucky, some like Ray clark & Sadie Nine use longer talk over beds which are good to hear, but the Essex use of the cut down news build with a rather dead end (no trail off) and the traffic sequence every 15 minutes at peak periods … well it's all starting to get a bit boring !!!

[simon_t123Member]

On a related but sideways subject, Absoloute Radio have some pretty good sounding instrumental ramps, stings & idents in their current package, they use a strong logo also but the beds are quality, well instrumented etc

[BBC Sx]

Does anyone know when the new jingles are coming to Sussex? Thanks!

[GB]

I'm very suprised that there's talk of BBC Sussex already changing their imaging to the corporate package. Their package has only been airng for just over a year, and less than a year in sung format. BBC Radio Kent has been airing it's IQ beats package for about five years, although they are also due to take the Mcasso imaging.

[timbo]

And BBC Kent takes the new package from start of play Monday 31st May. First play is on a trail for Mondays cricket coverage.

[timbo]

…which is on air this weekend before the package changeover.

[rakMember]

'A Passion for Kent' – with each cut split between Richard Allinson and Janice Vee. Personally I think a strapline without the word Kent in it would be better. Still, it's not as repetitive as “Kent's Radio Station – BBC Radio Kent”, which reminds me of Glen Thompsett's last night on LWT saying (with tongue in cheek) “This is London Weekend Television, television for London at the weekend”.

The beds are OK, but I don't think they'll have the 5 year plus shelf life of the IQ Beats stuff, which still sounded quite nice, esp the old TOTH.

[mbMember]

ST wrote:

However … Whilst I say these things, I'm by now getting a bit tired of hearing the stuff here in Essex, if there's 700+ cuts why do stations only seem to be rolling out several ?

Because each station can only choose a small section, then neighbouring stations have to choose but cannot share any cuts that are already gone with a station on thier border.So each station is quite restricted. I just think they were out of thier depth on this project both the person at the BBC and the company making the jingles with little idea what they were doing on both sides.

[denzil1976]

rak wrote:
'A Passion for Kent' – with each cut split between Richard Allinson and Janice Vee. Personally I think a strapline without the word Kent in it would be better. Still, it's not as repetitive as “Kent's Radio Station – BBC Radio Kent”, which reminds me of Glen Thompsett's last night on LWT saying (with tongue in cheek) “This is London Weekend Television, television for London at the weekend”.

The beds are OK, but I don't think they'll have the 5 year plus shelf life of the IQ Beats stuff, which still sounded quite nice, esp the old TOTH.

Hmm…not bad, but not brilliant. Certainly not as good as the second Alfasound package, or the shared package with BBC Nottingham (which was used before the IQ Beats set).

Is it just my radio, or are the travel jingles a bit quiet? And there's nothing to go out of the news from (yet).

So how many does that make it? Eleven by my reckoning – Cornwall, Devon, Essex, Hereford & Worcester, Kent, Leeds, Merseyside, Newcastle, Stoke, Tees and York?

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