[star tetley]

Yes, BBC Radio Norfolk is taking over the region!

[AndyWMember]

Although the technical topic of this is a wee bit adrift from jingles, I have to say that technically with ViLOR etc they are putting over-reliance on IP / internet – the internet is today far more fragile in how it works than many users realise – all they seem to see is just “the pretty pictures”.

The BBC local network (and regionals / nations) should be about resilience – not bean-counting or fancy toys.

i.p. is not strictly the internet. This uses the BBC’s own private circuits. They just carry data rather than audio and have strict rules on the architecture so that the broadcast critical stuff has priority. It’s not like they’re sticking it all into a broadband router and hoping that it comes out the other end. There is resilience built in to each studio in the very slim event of a studio failing. Sorry, there are reasons why I know a lot about this…

[simon_t123Member]

oh dear lols … the other day Graham Barnard played out the sting version of the Radio Norfolk news in which worked just fine out of Mark Forrest … what you do get is some strange IP glitch when Norwich takes control back, like a digital stutter … teething problems I guess ? whilst on the subject in the East, we had Sunday shows from Essex to all or some of the region using the BBC Essex travel bed without voiceover with the Suffolk travel out, a right mix & match job …

[Vinnah]

https://soundcloud.com/vinnah800/bbc-east-2200-toh-23-1 Tonight’s one seems to be back to usual.

[simon_t123Member]

it’s allll in the newsreader I reckon it was that chap that played a news sting the other day whilst Rita Johnson does nothing but maybe the pips (?) … there’s no clear cut rule then perhaps …

[Vinnah]

I agree Simon, that seems to be the case though I’ve only heard Rita do the news once since the MF show launched.

Tonight local travel tails & presenter IDs are back. “Nick Risby on the BBC In Beds, Herts & Bucks” was played after the 11 news and “Beds, Herts & Bucks Travel” after the travel news. ToTH is still BBC Suffolk without VO.

[simon_t123Member]

It was Rita that was crashing fades back into MF, I’m all for innovation with the quick news sting, it sounds much better with a bit of intro into regional news … but bless him (Wally Webb) that’s always a sombre opt out of Five Live for anyone that’s up at that time of day but more power to him he reads his own news and for the mo I guess we do start at 4am here in the East, I’d imagine the cost was negligible so long may that continue …

Ah a return to localised id’s eh @Vinnah ? that’s welcome just for that extra bit of polish on the output, I’ve not picked up on any yet but I’ve usually been listening around the MF show of late to cast views on it … What’s good in our region from a jingle POV is that the locals that produce for the region use their own Mcasso ID’s which provides a bit of variety

[shf2013]

Has someone got a recording of the breakdown track which is used on the internet when the football comes on?

[Vinnah]

@simon_t123 Yeah I think the news sting is excellent, does Graham Barnard play them every time the news is on during the MF show? I’ve only listened to the MF show in full once which was the first night it was broadcast. It’s not that I don’t like it but it’s not the same as Sue Marchant and annoyingly Sue’s Sunday show isn’t broadcast on 3CR but it’s possible to get Cambridgeshire, Northampton & Essex here.

I listen to Nick Risby so I’ve only really heard the 2200 ToTH since the MF show began.

[simon_t123Member]

@Vinnah, no the newsreaders only play something in at 10pm as the MF show sends no bed then, it keeps the flow going but then at 11 I imagine it’s the Suffolk news in going into the news again … Totally agree it’s not the same as Sue Marchant, she’s not had the best of luck with scheduling, in the early 00’s BBC in the East broadcast right thru the night and Sue had a show on then, I’d say bring that back But I reckon first that the late show will go national before enough people revolt and we get more local shows (and better jingles !) back on the Locals …

That’s a strange point you raise about Sue’s Sunday show only going out on a few stations, the show before her from Essex only seemed to go out on Essex, Suffolk and Norfolk whilst Spendlove perhaps ? was going out over your side of the region ? Sue came on and thanked Spendlove for the show before hers when here in Essex it was Etholle George in for the usual lady presenter … Strange goings on !!!

[star tetley]

@Vinnah, no the newsreaders only play something in at 10pm as the MF show sends no bed then, it keeps the flow going but then at 11 I imagine it’s the Suffolk news in going into the news again … Totally agree it’s not the same as Sue Marchant, she’s not had the best of luck with scheduling, in the early 00’s BBC in the East broadcast right thru the night and Sue had a show on then, I’d say bring that back But I reckon first that the late show will go national before enough people revolt and we get more local shows (and better jingles !) back on the Locals …

That’s a strange point you raise about Sue’s Sunday show only going out on a few stations, the show before her from Essex only seemed to go out on Essex, Suffolk and Norfolk whilst Spendlove perhaps ? was going out over your side of the region ? Sue came on and thanked Spendlove for the show before hers when here in Essex it was Etholle George in for the usual lady presenter … Strange goings on !!!

I agree it’s a bit of a mish-mash in the East at the moment. Sue shouldn’t be thanking Spendlove because he is only on Cambs. The Sunday afternoon presenters are giving out the evening schedule but 3CR and Northampton are not taking it. The Mcasso jingles are a bit of everything and Spendlove is still using Music4!

[simon_t123Member]

Not so much of a cost saving in the East then when it comes to programming There must be several staff at each station with their own shows produced on a Sunday evening well after a large slice of networked content has already gone out ? I’d of thought it cheaper that the doors were locked & the lights went out on a Sunday afternoon at most sites until Monday morning …

Sunday afternoons from Leechy, thru country to Bridget Metcalfe come from Essex so they’re probably working off the noticeboard there, but no one seems to be taking into account those local variations … as you say a mish-mash just about explains all !!!

On another note I’m wondering if the ever spreading Graham Torrington with his late show might gradually creep into other regions, he was popular (or so I think !) on the GWR network stations in the East back in the day, there may be more cash to save with Graham right across England of a late night …

[AndyWMember]

The plan is for late programmes to stay regional. That means an increase in localness for some stations as a lot of the West Midlands region that now take Graham Torrington from Birmingham used to get their late night show from Nottingham. There is no plan to spread him further than the West Midlands.

[tom_h]

It seems BBC Newcastle has updated its travel jingle.

Have any other stations updated?

[star tetley]

Northampton have something new for Friday Sport.

[tom_h]

I’ve made a short clip of the new Northampton sport jingle. Sounds to me like a news one.

BBC Radio Northampton Friday Night Sport Jingle by tomh274

Also, I’ve made a montage of BBC WM’s breakfast show jingles, the first is the current weekday jingle, the second is for the main cover presenter and the third is the recently updated (hence my upload) Saturday Breakfast one. For some reason the later two don’t seem to make the transition from the initial jingle to the bed very smoothly, any ideas why?

BBC WM 95.6 Breakfast Show Jingles by tomh274

[LenGroat]

Sorry, but I almost fell asleep listening to the audio ‘idents’… and the presenters.

The only possible reason the BBC are using these very formal, unmemorable idents, AND doing ALL speech breakfast shows, is to ensure the listening figures go DOWN so they have an excuse to start merging or closing the local stations?

Amazingly, BBC local radio comes under ‘News’, hence the style of these idents (a journalists idea of ‘idents’) which sound remarkably like what I heard on BBC Radio Merseyside when I visited it in 1971 !

Most importantly, there is a 30-40 year age gap between the broadcasters and the audience.

How can the BBC justify using (clearly) very YOUNG presenters at breakfast, when the only age group who can listen for the length of time needed to follow speech segments are the (retired or ill) 65+ ? Yet at Radio 1 the policy is for YOUNG presenters as they try to force the age of the typical listener down past 30 !

Why do they use two opposing philosophies?

These idents are nothing to do with ‘style’, but indicate the BBC’s long term plans for local radio.

[tom_h]

I’m assuming you’re talking about Mollie Green when you’re on about the young presenters. I can see what you mean but ‘our Mol’ as she’s known connects very well with the older audience. I do however believe that BBC Local Radio shouldn’t be aimed at an age range but more the local area and it’s population regardless of age.

I still think that the WM jingles I uploaded are some of the better Mcasso idents.

[DavidHemsley]

better Mcasso idents.

Yes! that’s exactly what we need !!

[connor]

i like a lot of wm’s jingles but i one which i don’t like is the one they use on the late show
also could anyone find the sport jingle that most of the bbc local radio stations use on the sports show on a saturday. thanks

[AndyWMember]

Hate to say this but all of the presenters in the WM clip are around the 40 mark in age. Pete is a little over and Mollie (who does Saturday Breakfast) is a little under. BBC Local Radio aims at 45+. The Drivetime guy is in his 50’s. Their oldest presenter is 72! They used JAM until 12 years ago,

[tom_h]

There seems to be another variation of the BBC in the Midlands travel jingle. On this one however the end jingle, tag… whatever doesn’t match the main bed…

BBC In The Midlands Travel Jingle by tomh274

[simon_t123Member]

anything goes in the regions !!! in the East we’ve seen a return to locally fired ID’s again but in the late show at travel time weeknights we get the Radio Suffolk travel bed with the BBC Essex travel out, I assume the others locals in the region get their own travel out, if it’s generic ID’s that night you’d get a generic version of the Suffolk travel out … A different situation occurs on Sundays where programmes come from BBC Essex as you get a generic version of the Essex travel bed used but usually with the generic Suffolk travel out used … anything goes !!!

[tom_h]

Seems’ a bit messy for the BBC. I know it’s only local radio and it’s not peak time but stilll….

[simon_t123Member]

Oooo BBC Essex is all change ! unfortunately it sounds like the recent BBC Radio York package has been brought in which personally I don’t like, too orchestral for my liking but it’s good there’s been a change as it was long overdue in Essex .. the travel is the same used by Mark Forrest in the evenings which is not totally surprising perhaps as the Managing Editor of BBC Essex is also the BBC’s editor for that show … I’ve yet to catch a full top o hour but it’s a very different sound, if you can all anything Mcasso different !!!

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