[tom_h]

@simon_t123 It’s odd because that networked show doesn’t go out on BBC WM. I’ve heard that bed used a few times over the past few years on networked shows but I know there is a ‘BBC In The Midlands’ Mcasso jingle, (it doesn’t have a bed).

I wonder who’ll get the next refresh?

[simon_t123Member]

@wixy1360 & @tom_h it’s tough to tell what may have happened on the above occasion but it certainly tends to happen when local presenters cover network shows they are not familiar with or they go to present the show at another stations studios … Even Radio 2 was not immune, Nikki Chapman covered the early hours around the time just after the new WB cuts came in, yet for a couple of shifts her presenter ID was of the Groove variety, quickly replaced AFTER several shows !

Similar things can be heard in the East where Richard Spendlove was reportedly using Music4 material until recently (maybe still is) I’ve heard special shows over Xmas use older ID’s even stations local ID’s on the network, so it seems more a thing that can happen when everyone’s in a tizz lols …

Mollie Green, is she at WM these days or C&W ? that may account for the problems in the Midlands, she may have presented this networked show from WM even if they were not taking the show, the stations are not that far away from each other & with all these colourful buttons to play from on the radioman cart wall mistakes can be made, it may be down to logins for example, I’ve seen a case where on another playout system you might have not logged in for ages yet the old audio (which someone fails to delete from the servers) is still linked to buttons or playlists under your login for all eternity …

I note the presenter ID after the news was for someone else also (the absent presenter for a guess) that ID was most probably contained within the play-log, I often wonder when I hear cover presenters use the absent presenters cuts whether they were just too lazy to swap items on the play log, or were not technically minded enough to do that or maybe just had no id’s of their own to play (again usually in the case of networked shows)

If this cut above was played by accident then the royalty should still be played surely ? It was played & used in full, do you know @tom_h if she played it out more than once ? These things normally create a ‘lightbulb’ moment … eventually and get rectified !

[timbo]

If this cut above was played by accident then the royalty should still be played surely ? It was played & used in full, do you know @tom_h if she played it out more than once ? These things normally create a ‘lightbulb’ moment … eventually and get rectified !

Any station jingles added to Radioman at BBC local will have royalty tagging….for want of a more formal wording. This tagging is not lost because new imaging is added, it’ll remain until it is deleted from the system. More often than not when new packages come in some of the old stuff stays on the system and within running orders (until the latter are updated – mannually). One of the programmes I oversee for instance has an old news build at the head of it which I’ve been meaning to get removed for ….well a few years – its just as easy for me to skip it being the first item. It’s an oversight, they happen. But anything that gets on to air by mistake will be logged and paid for.

Also in Radioman if audio is on a hotkey or cartwall it can’t be deleted unless it is deleted first from the hotkey and/or cartwall. I’ve often used this trick to ensure that a piece of audio isn’t purged from the system

I’ve also been privy to hearing a wide range of McCasso 2012 refresh beds and cuts which are available to all stations to adopt – if they want to. They sound quite good to me.

T

[star tetley]

If this cut above was played by accident then the royalty should still be played surely ? It was played & used in full, do you know @tom_h if she played it out more than once ? These things normally create a ‘lightbulb’ moment … eventually and get rectified !

Any station jingles added to Radioman at BBC local will have royalty tagging….for want of a more formal wording. This tagging is not lost because new imaging is added, it’ll remain until it is deleted from the system. More often than not when new packages come in some of the old stuff stays on the system and within running orders (until the latter are updated – mannually). One of the programmes I oversee for instance has an old news build at the head of it which I’ve been meaning to get removed for ….well a few years – its just as easy for me to skip it being the first item. It’s an oversight, they happen. But anything that gets on to air by mistake will be logged and paid for.

Also in Radioman if audio is on a hotkey or cartwall it can’t be deleted unless it is deleted first from the hotkey and/or cartwall. I’ve often used this trick to ensure that a piece of audio isn’t purged from the system

I’ve also been privy to hearing a wide range of McCasso 2012 refresh beds and cuts which are available to all stations to adopt – if they want to. They sound quite good to me.

T

Very interesting. There’s no excuse for Essex then!

[tom_h]

@simon_t123 The jingle was played before every news so it appears to be the regular jingle.

Mollie is at both BBC WM and BBC C&W, doing a weekly show on each and it appears that she had been covering at BBC H&W last week, so she knows what she’s doing. She does have her own presenter ID for Hereford & Worcester but I’m not sure H&W has the ability to smart-network. I could be wrong but they tend to have ‘BBC In The Midlands’ jingles.

[Vinnah]

Richard Spendlove still uses his Music4 jingle at the start of the programme and just after 2100. There are two different voice overs for these, sometimes the same one will be played twice in one night. It’s the male voice over which was used on Radio Cambridgeshire before they switched to Mcasso.

Sometimes just a voice over is used saying “Richard Spendlove” this is the current voiceover used on Radio Cambridgeshire however the show usually plays the Music4 jingle.

[simon_t123Member]

@Vinnah you see these are some of the inconsistencies to be heard on the locals, it’s a regional (actually a regional PLUS others in other regions) show so you’d think the production would be ultimately professional … not in terms of quality, the Music4 packages worked really well for Cambs even if the musical logo used 99% of the time was that of BBC Radio Devon … it’s just you’d expect for the benefit of Kent & Lincs, plus the shows own region here in the East who are all Mcasso’d by this point that the imaging would be right … which begs the royalties question I guess ? If it were a programme theme of some instrumental relevance then fair do’s but the previous jingle package does not really count nor does a VO from the since removed station voice !!!

I’m thinking things will improve in the new year, we’ve got the new national cum local show launching which may well provide some new Mcasso tracks, and perhaps rattle the door knobs at the locals into tightening up on their respective imaging / bring back some of the recently dropped regional imaging opts …

I believe the beebs ‘powers that be’ in local radio imaging read this thread so maybe they might be best positioned to address imaging inconsistencies

[jonnoMember]

Solent have introduced new Christmas cuts in the last few days.
Mcasso xmas solent cut by jonno .

[simon_t123Member]

http://radiotoday.co.uk/2012/12/mark-forrest-hosts-secret-bbc-pilot-show/ as posted by Roy @ RadioToday there’s audio with a snippet of the new Mcasso theme for the local radio UK wide show I’d of liked to have heard the ‘secret’ shows, 2am mind, that really is secret !!!

[tom_h]

Some nice new cuts coming from Mcasso. I’m still looking for a clean cut of the WM/London travel bed by the way .

WM aren’t using Christmas jingles, are any other stations (apart from Solent obviously )?

[local_12]

Nice to hear a bit of Mark Forrest’s show with a custom Mcasso ident. In the Eastern Counties, Suffolk, Essex and 3CR are using Christmas jingles as well as BBC C&W. Oh, and Sheffield have taken the new Mcasso cuts with a different news and travel bed to York.

[tom_h]

Sheffields travel seems to be slightly based on WM’s/London’s. It appears Mcasso seem to be using a lot more ‘brass’ (not totally sure, not brilliant with instruments).

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I always thought Sheffields news jingles was one of the best anyway.

[timbo]

How about a little taster of the All England show Mcasso…..

[timbo]

Evening ID#1 by Timbo_bbc

[timbo]

Evening TOTH by Timbo_bbc

…TOTH??

[tom_h]

I like them but will London retain it’s logo?

[simon_t123Member]

ahhh @Timbo we like little tasters thanks …

nice @tom_h to hear refreshed cuts in @ Sheffield, listen out to hear perhaps the ‘rocky’ sounding sport bed in use as time goes by … certainly more brass in the recent cuts, I think it adds more ‘depth’ or a produces a ‘fuller’ sound where some of the earlier Mcasso cuts were weaker, slightly synth sounding … I have it on good authority that an orchestra related to the BBC did play on some of the cuts … as for the new evening show, perhaps news junctions / TOTH sequences should be brought into line soundwise along with the various streamlining of schedules etc ? So long as there are the local logos retained in places, the recent York package seemed a bit short on those, it’s a more serious, orchestral sound …

[simon_t123Member]

I was up to catch the start of Wednesday mornings Mark Forrest pilot show (19/12/2012) the audio below has the show theme play out at 2am with Mark introducing the show as the best of BBC Local Radio, interestingly I listened on iPlayer to the Suffolk stream at random and caught the Suffolk localiser as part of the beds end tag … I’m going to try the Essex stream now to hear the results

I’ve just heard actually a dry voice tag over the start of a song similar to “You’re listening to Mark Forrest, This is BBC Essex”

That confirms for both Suffolk and Essex at least the current local voice over artists are used to localise and tag ID’s mixed with the programmes own voiceover artist …

A local promo was played out before a song at one point, and I even had an email read out in the ‘best present ever’ feature … all sounds promising, and that’s as I sit here at 2:22 AM !!!

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[simon_t123Member]

here’s a scoped aircheck of the news at 3am from the BBC Essex iPlayer feed … it starts with a caller from Kent who just squeezes in what I would consider an awkward question re: if the new show was replacing her beloved Roger Day (BBC South evening presenter) cue reassurance that ‘they’ll put him somewhere else’ and into a quick link to a Joni Mitchell track then the TOTH played into the news at 3am that has an out stab that’s new to me, and then it’s into the programme theme with a BBC Essex localiser / tag … it has been an interesting show, I’ve enjoyed it !!! and for those here in the East Wally Webb is on-air from 4am so it’ll be interesting to hear how he follows on from Mark rather than Five Live …

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[simon_t123Member]

and here’s the end of the show with an ident featuring a producers credit and a straight, clean take over by Wally Webb for the regional early breakfast show …

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[simon_t123Member]

@timbo do you know if the TOTH is in use at either Leeds, York or any other LR @ the moment ? just out of interest ta …

[local_12]

The TOTH sounds a lot similar to the refreshed one used by York

[timbo]

Hi Simon,

Not sure if that TOTH is being used elsewhere (will have a look). There was a raft of new cuts that have become available for BBC Local, and they featured in those. It was only later when I heard the England show cuts that I realised some were the same as the refresh cuts. So I’m guessing they might be available for all, not exclusive to Mark Forrest’s new show.

[Jinglejames]

The TOTH cut for the Mark Forrest Evening Show is the same one used by Radio York. As far as I know, it isn’t currently being used anywhere else, but the refresh has only happened on a couple of stations so far, and this may change as the new cuts are rolled out across the network.

[tom_h]

Have any other stations updated their imaging with this being the first proper week back of the new year?

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