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  • #86846
    simon_t123
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      lols, @star tetley … yep you’re quite possibly right there … the brief document for the Local Radio evening show stated the production company would be supplied with a jingle package, but I guess that could mean anything new, or quite possibly old !!!

      the overall sound has grown on me in so much as when you hear it as you travel about the country you know you’ve found the local Beeb for that area & wanting info all the time, especially travel news so I guess the Mcasso imaging is functional in that sence ?

      but a uniform sound is one thing, a stale uniform sound is quite another, there’s plenty of cuts to go around so a programme of re-freshments really should be happening, I talk about Essex as a point about refreshing as it was I believe the first station to adopt the Mcasso imaging, 3 years down the line now it really does sound stale, they were from the first batch of cuts, and after this time the news & travel imaging really does gag for a refresh … perhaps the stations think not, or just don’t care !!!

      #86858
      tom_h

        Because I had some time to kill, I’ve put together a montage of local BBC Midlands stations and the start of their drivetime shows from yesterday. I’ve started it from the end of the news/weather, and finished it after the presenters introduction. I’ve not cut down any bits so you can hear how it would sound normally. I’m sure Stoke normally do a Presenter ID after the travel and before a song but on this occasion they haven’t. I’d be interested to see what you think sounds best.

        BBC Local Radio in the Midlands – Drivetime 25/10/2012 by tomh274

        #86860
        simon_t123
        Member

          an interesting listen tom_h, nice one for taking the time :) I’d had a plan to do the lot but does time ever allow ? ;) as for what sounds best … they’re pretty much all the same !!! WM I think just about does it for me, Essex uses the same as Stoke & I’m TOTALLY fed up listening to that !!! Nottingham has a good use of travel beds there, the others seem to plink & plonk thru the cuts, one of the best cuts I know of is the ‘dance’ themed cut, has a good in, out & bed but is maybe a bit ‘pacey’ for the LR listenership so the cut is not used that widely, there are some really ploddy, sloooow cuts about, generally the more up-tempo ones do the job for me, I need news & info but I’m not 75 lols !!! LR should aim for a younger, connected, needs to know & get about places generation, the Mcasso cuts sadly don’t cater for that … nice montage :)

          #86861
          NickyS
          Member

            I have a feeling a little “re-fresh” maybe on the way for some stations :-)

            #86862
            tom_h

              I had the idea, I had the time I thought why not? :)

              If I’m honest, I don’t like WM’s drivetime bed, (they use it for Mid-Morning’s too). I like it, up until the bed the presenter has to talk over because I know it’s a travel bed. I know the regular listener won’t know that but it just sounds too ‘travelly’ for me.

              I think I prefer Coventry’s ramp because of it’s fast pace. I’m quite young so that will obviously appeal to me. I’m also a fan of the one WM use for breakfast, it also sounds good in London…

              Sample of BBC WM 95.6s Breakfast and BBC London 94.9s Drivetime Show by tomh274

              I do think these have quite a ‘big and energetic sound’ compared to some and appear to be used by most stations for Breakfast. Equally, they do make some crap jingles…

              BBC Radio Humberside Breakfast Jingle by tomh274

              ooh I do love the iPlayer.

              #86866
              simon_t123
              Member

                @NickyS that’s good to know :) Essex I’d hope might get a refresh !!! saying that I heard an extended bed in use as a menu on drivetime, I’d not heard things done that way before … more interesting audio @tom_h there really are some better and some weaker cuts out there, seeing as Mcasso / the stations had cuts for the jubilee and the Olympics I’d like to think that the networked evening show might have something for it’s own use, not sure if Radioman is up to very slick networking across 39 stations but we shall just have to see … hopefully the regional HQ’s will have local staff for news / weather / travel inserts to keep things as local as possible, my mind @ the moment is on the displaced 7-10 presenters across the country, it’s a good slot in most regions, but with a hand-back to the regions at 10pm it may only be a matter of time before the late show goes national also … interesting times ahead & hopefully refreshed imaging ;)

                #86877
                tom_h

                  Regional networking of the 10pm – 1am has already commenced here in the West Midlands. Previously WM was standalone with other Midlands stations networked from Nottingham however, now BBC Coventry & Warwickshire and BBC Hereford & Worcester are now networked from BBC WM, making things more local!

                  Strange way of balancing things out.

                  #86883
                  star tetley

                    Because I had some time to kill, I’ve put together a montage of local BBC Midlands stations and the start of their drivetime shows from yesterday. I’ve started it from the end of the news/weather, and finished it after the presenters introduction. I’ve not cut down any bits so you can hear how it would sound normally. I’m sure Stoke normally do a Presenter ID after the travel and before a song but on this occasion they haven’t. I’d be interested to see what you think sounds best.

                    BBC Local Radio in the Midlands – Drivetime 25/10/2012 by tomh274

                    WM sounds strange as it is used as a travel bed on so many stations.

                    Nottingham travel in is horrible in my opinion.

                    Not too keen on the Shropshire package.

                    I’ll award the prize to Stoke.

                    #86901
                    local_12

                      Fascinating stuff! I’m not really a fan of WM’s take on Mcasso especially the travel bed that they use as a presenter ID. It’ll be interesting to see if there are any specific beds for the new evening show and how it’s going to be presented. I guess time will tell…

                      By the way, does anyone know who the current female voiceover on BBC Devon is?

                      #86960
                      tom_h

                        I’ve not heard this cut before. Is it new? Sounds pretty weak to me, especially when the ID fires out of the jingle.

                        BBC WM Lunchtime Show Jingle by tomh274

                        #86961
                        local_12

                          Interesting news, tom_h. I think it sounds a bit like the BBC London breakfast cut so it could be a remix of that but I have noticed that BBC Bristol’s drivetime show also has a new cut I haven’t heard before. Could this be the little ‘refresh’ ?

                          #86962
                          tom_h

                            BBC Bristol Drive Jingle by tomh274

                            I like that. I didn’t think it was Mcasso until the end though, strange lack of ‘BBC’ logo’s. Much better than WM’s drivetime cut. I heard Liz Green’s new Breakfast show on BBC Leeds this morning and that used existing cuts.

                            #86970
                            NickyS
                            Member

                              By the way, does anyone know who the current female voiceover on BBC Devon is?

                              Is it not still Katie?
                              http://www.rabbitvocalmanagement.co.uk/artists/katie-hillyer

                              #86999
                              simon_t123
                              Member

                                ooooh cerrtainly sounds like new Mcasso cuts on the loose there guys, I agree there are many weaker cuts & a good number of strong, upbeat cuts … I like the Lancashire fairly chilled out travel jingle, what I’ve noticed is a fairly wide range of usage styles, some stations like beds, some don’t … in Essex, we are still stale & the Humberside brekkie cut posted early is the same as the Essex mid-morning show, I’m just not keen on it to be fair, sounds very Xmassy, and at this festive time of year it does indeed gather some bells !!!

                                I’m fairly hopeful Mcasso will produce a specific theme for the new networked show come January, they do seem to have been commissioned to produce new audio when larger events, station and show changes have been made a la BBC London, WM’s new lunchtime show there, the jubilee and the olympics … Essex did bring in quite a good, bold, orchestral news intro during the olympics :)

                                This cut remains one of my favourite production beds :

                                And this, my favourite travel bed :

                                And how about this for sport ? :

                                #87043
                                star tetley

                                  That travel bed is good as it actually sounds like a travel bed. Couldn’t really be used for anything else. Do Radio Leicester use it?

                                  #87067
                                  simon_t123
                                  Member

                                    @ star tetley it’s in use at BBC Manchester, am pretty sure someone else is using it, but that’s the thing with Mcasso, when driving around the country you can all too quickly lose track of who’s playing what as it all sounds the ruddy same lols ;) that being said it’s a good, driving traffic bed, I thought that Sheffield sport bed ‘rocked out’ somewhat which in terms of style is good to hear …

                                    #87076
                                    star tetley

                                      Yes the sport bed is good too. Not so keen on your production bed though.

                                      #87108
                                      simon_t123
                                      Member

                                        @Star Tetley, that production bed is on use in Essex as a”what’s on” guide, and has been in use or may still be as a presenter / menu bed in Shropshire and Somerset and elsewhere I’m sure … I’ve removed the tracks ‘in the clear’ as that was an unwise posting but there is some good material around, and new cuts seem to be appearing around across the country right now, I shall be keeping my ears open :)

                                        Have Mcasso made any cuts for ‘Children In Need’ does anyone know ?

                                        #87125
                                        local_12

                                          BBC York seem to have new cuts for news, travel, weather etc. as well as new production beds. Looks as if the refresh is underway…

                                          P.S : Thanks for the heads-up, NickyS

                                          #87130
                                          tom_h

                                            Just had a quick listen to the new York cuts. Some of the beds sound like they’re reworked from London.

                                            Doesn’t sound bad though but perhaps a little ‘weak’.

                                            #87133
                                            simon_t123
                                            Member

                                              @tom_h & local_12 having had a listen on the iplayer it’s a much more serious sounding offering from these refreshed cuts @ York, more orchestral in style & none too bad but from the shows I listened to it’s kind of clear these cuts work very well within speech broadcasting but right across the network I’ve heard some key-clash seg’s with some Mcasso cuts say out of news & into a song, I think it’s just the nature of the beast however :)

                                              #87134
                                              tom_h

                                                I happened to notice a local presenter doing some network covering so I decided to give her a listen. I started recording just before the travel because I had a feeling I’d get something interesting and I was right!

                                                BBC In The Midlands – Music 4 & Mcasso Jingles. by tomh274

                                                You can hear a bit of music 4 (sounds like WM’s old package) into a bit of mcasso. I don’t think Hereford & Worcester has the facility to smart network, hence the combined network. I was listening on the BBC Radio Stoke stream.

                                                #87140
                                                simon_t123
                                                Member

                                                  @tom_h that’s the music4 WM travel bed that’s for sure ! these things happen sometime and more often when a local presenter covers network, they go looking for the regional travel bed & I’d imagine it’s titled as such on radioman, if it’s in the style of a big colourful button there could be no way to know if it’s a new or old style bed ! unless the Midlands use this bed all the time for travel ?

                                                  #87141
                                                  star tetley

                                                    BBC York seem to have new cuts for news, travel, weather etc. as well as new production beds. Looks as if the refresh is underway…

                                                    P.S : Thanks for the heads-up, NickyS

                                                    I think this is the first time we have heard the full news intro in this orchestral fashion. This Mcasso stuff is just getting too exciting, I need a sit down.

                                                    #87143
                                                    IainJohnston
                                                    Member

                                                      Let me get my head around this…if the Beeb is using “economy McCasso” in order to SAVE MONEY, why is ANYONE never mind WM using Music 4 material now? Surely the log tracker clocked and should have raised a flag somewhere to show that a play royalty was required to be paid for a supposedly no-longer-to-be-used jingle, and told someone in engineering (if anyone is left…) to scrub the non-McCasso playout files ?

                                                      Or am I being stupid (being 175 miles from the nearest Beeb “Local”).

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