[GB]

Loving the Mcasso BBC Radio Derby theme. There are hints of BBC Radio Devon in there, but highly vamped up!

[Vinnah]

The Derby one is certainly different, do all of the cuts on Derby have this sort of theme?

Meanwhile Suffolk & Solent still have their old jingles which is great because they're still really good. Who made Solent's jingles?

[jonnoMember]

Who made Solent's jingles?

funny, I've been meaning to ask that for ages better get round to airchecking some programmes before they get Mcasso'd

Edit:
searching elsewhere in jinglemad and on the net, Fred Hart suggests Wicked Music Production – whoever they are? jonno

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[jonnoMember]

…better get round to airchecking some programmes before they get Mcasso'd

Here's a scoped aircheck focusing on the imaging in the first 45 mins of Julian Clegg's Breakfast Show this morning (Sep 29th)

Attached files

Solent 29092011.mp3 (4.1 MB) 

[tom_h]

Sorry if this has already been asked.

But does the BBC specify a basic structure of what jingles are needed i.e there must be a news, traffic and presenter ID but any extra's are up to the station?

Cheers.

[tom_h]

Accidental double post.

– Sorry!

[simon_t123Member]

DQF has suggested more regional networking in the afternoon, networking "across england between 7pm and 10pm with all stations linking together" (did they mean ALL or regions across England ?) and then after 10pm stations networking regionally. Local news output to be retained at least in the afternoons. So with that in mind it brings a more logical case for the MCasso branding, I think the DQF mentioned significant LR's would retain more local programming, and that BBC London would lose some off-peak programming to bring it into line with other LR's (whilst seeming to keep BBC London's individuality somewhat). With networking on the cards, when in place it would surely make it harder to reverse the 'same sound' trend of the MCasso imaging, as stations going in different jingle directions would then have network junctions to consider etc, I'd imagine across the network branding will remain the flavour for much time to come.

The DQF also highlighted the removal of a number of split output brekkie shows ! That may mean a reduction in BBC premises etc, it's sad in many ways but at least the beeb is I think THE last media outlet to do mass culling of assets etc, the independent media have been doing it for years !!!

I wonder if the old view that if the BBC were allowed to take ads & the licence fee was abolished etc would see things being done differently ? Less savings required could in the future mean a reversal of DQF plans.

[IainJohnstonMember]

The descriptions above under the DQF proposals ("Delivering Quality First"…an utterly bollox phrase as usual, to euphemistically describe swinging cuts) are what the French France Bleu state-owned public local system have been doing for years – and still give seamless local/regional/national switching, and have had and continue to commission the best "network style – local versions" SUNG jingles around. Oh, and they DO take advertising, but don't let it destroy the high standards of their PSB programming.

However, the Brits are forever "re-inventing the wheel" in general, rather than looking to see how anyone else might have already found ways to successfully solve the same problems…

[star tetley]

DQF has suggested more regional networking in the afternoon, networking "across england between 7pm and 10pm with all stations linking together" (did they mean ALL or regions across England ?) and then after 10pm stations networking regionally. Local news output to be retained at least in the afternoons. So with that in mind it brings a more logical case for the MCasso branding, I think the DQF mentioned significant LR's would retain more local programming, and that BBC London would lose some off-peak programming to bring it into line with other LR's (whilst seeming to keep BBC London's individuality somewhat). With networking on the cards, when in place it would surely make it harder to reverse the 'same sound' trend of the MCasso imaging, as stations going in different jingle directions would then have network junctions to consider etc, I'd imagine across the network branding will remain the flavour for much time to come.

The DQF also highlighted the removal of a number of split output brekkie shows ! That may mean a reduction in BBC premises etc, it's sad in many ways but at least the beeb is I think THE last media outlet to do mass culling of assets etc, the independent media have been doing it for years !!!

I wonder if the old view that if the BBC were allowed to take ads & the licence fee was abolished etc would see things being done differently ? Less savings required could in the future mean a reversal of DQF plans.

Even when all stations had their 'own' jingles many of the regional shows would break away for local jingles. It was obviously possible to come up with something of the same length for all locals by playing around with them a little.

[simon_t123Member]

Even when all stations had their 'own' jingles many of the regional shows would break away for local jingles. It was obviously possible to come up with something of the same length for all locals by playing around with them a little.

with mixed results mind ! last time I spied a Radioman terminal it looked like the local idents were fired off by a macro command from the host studio, localisation beeb style has varied results depending which area you live in, the presenter would frequently end up speaking over the vocal of sung stations where a end/fade existed for others, but whilst I think a separate identity is important & what we'd mostly all like to see, the use of MCasso across the board does tidy things up a bit if all this networking is coming our way RW

[simon_t123Member]

BBC Radio Manchester have marked their move to Salford today by changing over to Mcasso. News intro isn't very impressive, in fact it's just the fadeout from the Surrey/Sussex news jingle!

[thelistener]

Errr …. It's actually a totally new mix of an existing cut, made especially for Manchester.

[mbMember]

Errr …. It's actually a totally new mix of an existing cut, made especially for Manchester.

Well that makes all the difference, lets face it Manchester had top class imaging from an Editor who knows his stuff, having the cheapo Mcasso dirge forced upon them must be awful.

[simon_t123Member]

ooo' Mancs don't seem to have a localised logo for their news sequence, just the 3 note B.B.C logo at the top, bottom and after the headlines read …

[RjM]

I feared the move to MediaCityUK would signal the end of IQ Beats on Radio Manchester (new building, new sound) it's use seemed to be phasing out recently. I've not been overly impressed with what I've heard so far today, but to be fair I never would have been in comparison.

The new sound is inoffensive enough, and I will give it time to get used to, but we had been spoilt with the excellent IQ package and it's many updates over the years (so no more sung presenter ID, sung weather jingles). IQBeats gave Radio Manchester a completely different sound to the rest of the BBC locals, and gave a big sound for a big city, and helped hugely in shifting away the cosy feel from the previous GMR.

I am pleased that Trish Bertram (my favourite station voice) and Craig Kelly have been retained as station voices.

Finally I know that the IQ "BBC Radio Manchester" logo stuck with people who had no interest in jingles, I wonder if the Mcasso cuts will have the same memorability?

[olly92]

On Graham Liver last week he was talking a bit about the sharing. It sounds like in the evenings it will be BBC across the North (Like the do in the midlands) sharing on a few stations. I often check out Georgey Spanswick. She deals with it really well. They don't have the localised logo just the B.B.C.
It would actually be the same LAN-CA-SHIRE MAN-CHES-TER MER-SEY-SIDE CUMB-RI-A In the north anyway.

[UKJinglesMember]

Hi All,

Here's the BBC Surrey/Sussex Travel bed in the clear (Thanks to incompetent presenters or equipment!)

BBC Sussex Travel Bed.mp3

I feared the move to MediaCityUK would signal the end of IQ Beats on Radio Manchester (new building, new sound) it's use seemed to be phasing out recently. I've not been overly impressed with what I've heard so far today, but to be fair I never would have been in comparison.

The new sound is inoffensive enough, and I will give it time to get used to, but we had been spoilt with the excellent IQ package and it's many updates over the years (so no more sung presenter ID, sung weather jingles). IQBeats gave Radio Manchester a completely different sound to the rest of the BBC locals, and gave a big sound for a big city, and helped hugely in shifting away the cosy feel from the previous GMR.

I am pleased that Trish Bertram (my favourite station voice) and Craig Kelly have been retained as station voices.

Finally I know that the IQ "BBC Radio Manchester" logo stuck with people who had no interest in jingles, I wonder if the Mcasso cuts will have the same memorability?

Attached files

BBC Sussex Travel Bed.mp3 (1.3 MB) 

[simon_t123Member]

Many thanks to Dominic, who emailed over the weekend to say that BBC Radio Suffolk has now moved over to Mcasso … the sound is not too bad actually, as Dominic had been doing I checked out the new sound via iPlayer, some cuts very similar to BBC Essex but the use of them is quite different, Suffolk have kept their station voices … So is that just Solent & London left to switch now ???

[local_10]

Hello there, local_12 here (forgot password ) as local_10.
Anyway, all stations in the Eastern Counties have changed with Suffolk sounding similar but different to Norfolk. Cumbria hasn’t changed yet unless they did today and Solent is still unwilling to change being the regional hub for BBC South

[Vinnah]

Interesting how Suffolk changed on a Thursday instead of a Monday as usual.

[robertpobjoy]

One day dubs of all the CD's might make an appearance … maybe lols !!!

Probably not, but I do have a HUGE stack of these cuts working in a BBC Local Station

[timbo]

I’ve heard and have a few BBC Cumbria cuts in Mcasso style and I believe Solent are working on them too as I have a couple of cuts from there as well.

[timbo]

Meant to add that the Solent weather cut I have is different to what I’ve heard before being used.

[timbo]

Bits referred to on the Soundcloud

[simon_t123Member]

timbo, those Cumbria & Solent cuts are none too bad and robertpobjoy dear chap, if you have anything odd or new Mcasso-wise hidden away please consider letting us have a listen, ta !!!

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