[JustMatt]

I saw the thread “Commissioning has begun!!! “
So has it? Do we know who has done any commissions, or was the thread title a mis-type?

[mbMemberAuthor]

yes it has click on the link at the end of my message and you'll see the document.

[Good Time Oldie]

Michael B is spot on, it is indeed the Groove logo.

As things stand at the moment, Dain and the team in Santa Monica don't know if Radio 2 will want to continue with their logo or not.

Personally, I am very sorry to see Groove stuff go as I am very fond of these cuts (great tracks, brill vocals), but no big production/jingle company in their right mind would give up 100% publishing, and I suspect the BBC knew that.

As for who'll get the gig, it would be good to see the likes of the wonderful Johnny Hooper, Bruce Wermurth and Bruce Upchurch given a go to showcase their wares (all great talents in their field).

[mbMemberAuthor]

Before you get upset with those at Radio 2 commissioning the jingles, It's not like the old days. They have to be transparant and seek to maximise the return for the BBC and minimise the cost. The best deal must be sought for the organisation. If material is created for the BBC then they want the rights. It's not like they are asking them to be made for free.

[IainJohnstonMember]

There seems to be an immediate conflict here, that could make the sitation difficult for any of the established companies…

1) The BBC would appear to want 100% control of the rights to the material, in perpetuity

2) The BBC would wish to maximise their returns and minimise their costs

As was publically said by JAM some years ago, they (and I'm sure the other “big names”) tend to break-even on the costs creating & producing a Custom package, and only make money on the business of providing syndicated re-sings to later clients.

If the BBC want full control, then they can't have it at cost-price, as the production company are in business, they're not a charity.
Simple as that.

…unless of course some company decides to do it solely for the “prestige-value” of having Radio 2 as their customer, and just wants to earn itself a living for its staff/owner(s) but nothing from the exercise for its shareholders should it be a non-standalone entity (several, e.g. JAM, COULD qualify that way).

Alternatively, the BBC can have a Mcasso equivalent for Radio 2 – clearly not expensive – and it shows.

There are other scenarios – but some don't bear thinking about.

So lets “wait and see”, because no matter what conjecture we may make here, the answer can only be made by those at the Beeb tasked with the decision, and who (we trust) indeed have the noggin and vision to get a “world class” result.

[DavidHemsley]

Wixy1360 wrote:
(we trust) indeed have the noggin and vision to get a “world class” result.

Please may I borrow your rose-tinted glasses?

[mbMemberAuthor]

It's only the rights, the composer is still credited and recieves 50%. The BBC would own the other half. There is also the shop window effect, producing the jingles for Radio 2 is a huge Kudos.It's hardly Victorian but they are driving a hard bargain – but looking at the cuts and transparancy demanded you can't blame them.

[newsbeat]

Michael Bolton wrote:
Yes, yes, yes.
With permission there have been some Wise Buddah vocals sung onto Groove tracks ( new presenters etc ) and Wise Buddah have produced jingles with the Groove logo.
As i understand.

Okay, thanks very much!

Also, I think all imaging packages the BBC commission have a 50/50 rights split.

I've read everything that's been read, and I can't help feeling that Mcasso will be the only company that pitches, and they will win it.

[IainJohnstonMember]

“Please may I borrow your rose-tinted glasses?”

Nope, anyway they're bi-focals!

Also, I've refrained from posting comments on this particular Thread until this week, as a courtesey to someone who had kindly contacted me with some relevant information that provided me with a much better insight into the matter than my own (purely speculative) guess-timation.

“and I can't help feeling that Mcasso will be the only company that pitches, and they will win it”

If that happens, the “coalition” government might as well privatise Radio2 (and wouldn't they just love to do that) and flog it off to their fellow Eton toff pals for peanuts.
:^[

[newsbeat]

Wixy1360 wrote:

Also, I've refrained from posting comments on this particular Thread until this week, as a courtesey to someone who had kindly contacted me with some relevant information that provided me with a much better insight into the matter than my own (purely speculative) guess-timation.

I thought all this information had to be coming from somewhere! Much appreciated

[Timfairfax]

To be fair to Groove, Ive always like their jingles on Radio 2 and it should be remembered that the glory days for Radio 2 from 1997ish onwards, have always featured Groove jingles as well as other smaller inputs.

[LenGroat]

Tim : I have to disagree with your comments : To be fair to Groove, I've always like their jingles on Radio 2 and it should be remembered that the glory days for Radio 2 from 1997ish onwards, have always featured Groove jingles as well as other smaller inputs

I do not think Radio 2's 'glory Days' from 1997 were ANYTHING to do with the Groove jingles.

The ONLY reason Radio 2 improved it ratings/reached a younger audience after 1997 was because Radio 1 was so disasterously (intentionally) 'deconstructed'* by a team brought in to do just that, who just as quickly left. Record sales hit an all-time low, the charts lost any credibility/ interest and Radio 1 was turned into a 'specialist music station' playing rather indulgent music in an attempt to relate to a generation who had little 'good' music of their own.

In dumping 'personality radio', Radio 1 offered no competition to Radio 2 and THAT was why it's image and success changed.

The Groove jingles are not 'jingles' as such as they do not 'work' with music but are primarily show openers.

The Radio 2 'station sound' was its best and most distinctive when it had the JAM material, some of the most memorable/ useable jingles EVER made.

Len

* The Government had plans to commercialise Radio 1 and so the BBC intentionally destroyed the station (and its ratings) to stop that happening

[GrahamCollins]

So what is the latest news on this process? Who did put in a bid and when will the chosen one be announced?

Appreciate any pointers……

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