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September 17, 2016 at 5:08 pm #11283RobinBlamires
Back in the Spring, I was lucky enough to meet Johnny Beerling at his rather nice abode in West Yorkshire to dissect the jingles
dating back over 40 years on BBC Radio 1 and Radio 2.It’s a little different from the interview by Stephanie Hirst with both Beerling and Jon Wolfert, more of a potted history of jingles as a whole at the BBC
as mentioned in the introduction, and a few naughty bits thrown in too, which Johnny found rather hilarious to my surprise.BBC imaging producer Chris Reay makes an appearance near the end to tell the story of the JAM jingles for Radio 2’s “Weekend Wogan”
and more recently Pick Of The Pops.I’ve uploaded the audio onto Soundcloud, but also have a common or garden link that’s more friendly for this site.
https://robinblamires26.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/wrutsl-jam-bbc-40years.mp3
And there’s also a blog to accompany the audio.
https://whatradiousedtosoundlike.wordpress.com/2016/09/17/jam-bbc/
Enjoy and I’d love to hear your thoughts.
September 17, 2016 at 7:54 pm #100656rakMemberThanks for posting this. We’re spoilt for choice with epic JB chats at the moment, and I need to sit down and listen to both of these recordings in peace and quiet.
September 17, 2016 at 9:21 pm #100657mbMemberReally interesting, thoughtful and well put together – enjoyed listening to it.
There’s’ been a lot comment in recent years that people at he BBC don’t know how to use jingles or appreciate them. I think listening to Chris you can tell that how the station sounds and how shows imaging work is his passion!September 18, 2016 at 8:29 pm #100661martinlesterMemberThanks Robin , very interesting audio and background especially from the Golden Age of Radio
September 19, 2016 at 5:49 am #100666gameswizardMemberIt was a great listen. Thanks.
Maybe Jon, or someone in the know, can clarify something. I’m sure it’s been mentioned that Chris Moyles used those ’80s Radio 1 jingles without JAMs permission. Is that really true, or just a rumour…?
September 19, 2016 at 6:20 am #100668JAM / PAMSMemberIs that really true, or just a rumour…?
I was going to sit on my hands and not say anything about this (and probably shouldn’t) but since you asked…
I enjoyed Robin’s production. Since I was not involved in any way, I was listening to it with no preconceived idea of what it would be like. For the most part it was a nice bit of time travel, mostly accurate (note to JB: I did not have a beard when I first came to the BBC in 1975… it lived from 1977-1988!). Anyway, we got to the section about Moyles and I instantly began to re-live the aggravation of that period. Is it possible to actually feel your blood pressure rise?
The answer to your question is- After thoroughly trashing (figuratively and literally) our most prized work- the entire JAM catalog of Radio 1 jingles – one day they were apparently good enough to be back on the air… with NO permission and NO compensation OF ANY KIND. And to top if off, they then had Sandy Beach do those “parody” versions (which is just a polite term for “ripping us off”), again with NO permission and NO compensation OF ANY KIND. No one contacted us at any point. It was insulting and illegal, and as you can tell I am still not over it.
And while I’m ranting, the notion that JAM couldn’t possibly have done something in a different style than what we had been doing for Radio 1 is simply ridiculous. Compare a 1976 cut for Radio 2 with a 1993 cut for Radio 1. Do they sound like they came from the same place? Of course not. Did they? Yes. But those in control of Radio 1 at the time thought it would be better to have someone copy what we did, and then use our material illegally, than to pick up the phone and at least talk to us. So they’d never know.
OK, rant over. My blood pressure should be returning to normal in a few minutes. Or days. -jmw
September 19, 2016 at 8:04 am #100669RobinBlamiresThanks Jon for your insight and I appreciate it’s a tough area to cover with all due respect.
Bear in mind as a listener at the time I had no idea who JAM were and it was mainly due to the invention of the internet that I found out.
It’s sad how it all ended up in the 90s but as a listener it felt that Radio 1 was evolving naturally and I carried on listening up to the late 90s.
I still dip in and out every so often and love the present and future prospects for radio but what happened in the past was just as inspiring.
Again , sorry if it trod on unpleasant ground, but the piece as a whole was designed to be a reflection of jingles as a whole at the BBC and it means a lot that you have listened.
And thanks to everyone else for their kind words!
September 19, 2016 at 10:10 am #100671gameswizardMemberwith NO permission and NO compensation OF ANY KIND.
How infuriating that must have been. And it being the BBC, too.
Thanks for clarification.September 19, 2016 at 2:43 pm #100672IainJohnston“with NO permission and NO compensation OF ANY KIND.
How infuriating that must have been. And it being the BBC, too”I think we trod this exact path on JM a while back – and I think from a legal perspective too – so I’m watching my words carefully…
However, its supposed to be that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that is an extant “Copyrighted feature” can be broadcast by
ANY BBC entity without “clearance” as its called in advance from whatever the appropriate “department” is called, and
due permission from the Copyright Owner(s) given and fees/royalties prior agreed or retrospectively paid. And the
programme logs “checked” afterwards to ensure compliance. The Beeb is stuffed full of people who do this every day!
(…and no doubt a certain Be&tles clip played for 10 seconds every morning at 7:05 am on Radio 2 will have prior “clearance”…)Would anyone seriously expect that the “incidental music” used in a certain TV baking programme much in the “news” (sic)
would get broadcast for free and without permission from its Copyright Owner, simply because, say, one of the presenters
involved “was a great fan of such music, liked it and blatantly bunged it into the programme” on their own violition?
Not bloomin’ likely!Still, its past history now, and what’s gone is gone – but I think we can still much sympathise with JMW on this one! :^)
September 19, 2016 at 4:01 pm #100673DuncanNewmarchMemberA little side story…
In 97 the commercial station I was working for had a number of Radio 1 jingles resung (not a big surprise, I picked them!) tracks from KZZP, Meltdown and Best Show. We hoped that disillusioned R1 listeners would hear a familiar, friendly sound and listen to us instead. Anyway, somebody heard Chris using them on R1 and our PC contacted Alfasound, it’s not often you can say “oi, Radio 1 are using our jingles!”. I could be wrong but I think that’s when he stopped using them (for a while) and the parody stuff came in.
September 19, 2016 at 6:01 pm #100674JAM / PAMSMembersorry if it trod on unpleasant ground, but the piece as a whole was designed to be a reflection of jingles as a whole at the BBC
Robin, my comments were not meant as a criticism of you for including those cuts. I understand it is part of the history you were trying to document. I was only reporting my reaction to that particular segment, since someone asked about it.
NOTHING that is an extant “Copyrighted feature” can be broadcast by ANY BBC entity without “clearance”
Uh huh. And what do you do when no phone calls are returned and no letters are answered?
somebody heard Chris using them on R1 and our PC contacted Alfasound
Just FYI: All contracts and dealings with Radio 1 and 2 from 1975-1997 were completely between JAM and the BBC. Alfasound was not involved in those projects. But I assume you got your JAM stuff through Alfasound and that’s probably why your PC called them instead of us directly.
September 19, 2016 at 6:36 pm #100676DuncanNewmarchMemberYes, Lincs used British singers at the time. I eventually persuaded them across the pond.
September 21, 2016 at 11:48 am #100679LenGroatRobin – thanks for an incredible amount of work and creativity in that well-written and thoughtfully presented audio – I’ve rarely sat still that long for years – apart from Stephanie Hirst’s recent one !!
September 21, 2016 at 10:10 pm #100685GrahamCollinsGood work young man !
October 2, 2016 at 6:56 pm #100720scotronMemberI just picked up on this thread yesterday. I just think it so sad that the BBC/Jam relationship ended in the way it did considering the years of collaboration between the two organisations and the obvious friendship that developed during that period. Shame on those who were ‘in charge’ at that time in the BBC during this transitional period. No way to treat your friends.
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