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Blatant Jingle Rip-Offs

edited March 2004 in Jingles Yesterday!
Time to start another interesting thread :D

Right how many Jingle companies can YOU think of who have blatantly "nicked" other companies jingles?
(excluding MANCHESTER MIX! lol)
Please post the proof!
Here's a couple to get it started both ALFASOUND.

1. TANNER to ALFASOUND

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.wilson60/rip1.mp3

2. JAM to ALFASOUND (again!)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.wilson60/rip2.mp3

Sorry about the quality but these were recorded "off-Air" over 25 years ago!

Any more??? :wink:
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  • Good one Pete.

    A couple spring to mind.

    Here's a TM to DAVID ARNOLD

    http://www.unclespoons.btinternet.co.uk/RIP1.mp3

    And here's a C21 to ALFASOUND (at least I presume it was this way round!)

    http://www.unclespoons.btinternet.co.uk/RIP2.mp3

    I wonder what the jingle companies made of it?
  • Here's a few cuts from the Invicta 89 package by Alfasound and PAMS International which included a few rip offs from Century 21's Proton Package and cut 15 from Miami's WAXY. The package did also contain however all the other cuts from the WAXY package and a few from All Hit Kit so I can't see why the original Proton package couldn't have compelmented these other gems.

    Invicta Rip Offs
  • That track 2 - a very reliable source once told me that Jon W was well pissed with Steve for them aped tracks . . . this was in the days long before Alfasound was tied in with JAM - originally Steve went to Dallas to sign with a different company - Thompson I think, but a make-up meeting with Jon W changed jingle history in the UK - imagine if Steve HAD signed with Thompson? would we all be singing the praises of Thompson on here instead of JAM?
  • RobinBlamires wrote: Here's a few cuts from the Invicta 89 package by Alfasound and PAMS International which included a few rip offs from Century 21's Proton Package and cut 15 from Miami's WAXY. The package did also contain however all the other cuts from the WAXY package and a few from All Hit Kit so I can't see why the original Proton package couldn't have compelmented these other gems.

    Invicta Rip Offs

    Hi Robin, I think you'll find that PAMS International were the UK reps for Century 21 at that point - the package was a co-operative effort between the three companies.
  • More recent, but there's the famous Chris Moyles Vibe jingles that, erm, possibly nodded towards some classic JAM cuts! The remakes by Sandy and his team were excellent, though I believe they led to some controversy.

    Great great jingles. Especially "The best sound in Bridlington..."
  • Neal" wrote:
    That track 2 - a very reliable source once told me that Jon W was well pissed with Steve for them aped tracks . . . this was in the days long before Alfasound was tied in with JAM - originally Steve went to Dallas to sign with a different company - Thompson I think,

    It wasn't Thompson. They didn't come onto the scene until 1986 and Alfasound was with Jam way before that.

    Neal

    Do you know... I have a sneaky suspcion it was Century 21.

    I'm sure I've heard Steve say that on tape.

    It makes sense - when you consider the Trent 10 and Invicta packages.
  • I did say "I Think" . . . . .

    Well whoever it was it was Dallas based.
  • So when DID Alfasound sign with JAM ?
  • DavidHemsley wrote: So when DID Alfasound sign with JAM ?

    My money's on 1989.
  • DavidHemsley" wrote:
    So when DID Alfasound sign with JAM ?

    My money's on 1989.

    Yeah I think it was around 1989..coz prior to that ALFASOUND tied up with CENTURY 21 for about a year or so!
  • Again apologies all round but I seem to recall from my conversations with Steve that it was C21 / TM, they had already done some stuff with Pams Internation for the AM/FM splits in 88 for County sound / WABC / Classic Gold and Trent and Invicta. And a more formal tie up was about to be done.

    Jon was a bit peeved becasue of one of some Alfasound cuts which had sounded identical / similar to JAM tracks. Remember it was Steve who when Piccadilly Radio mgmt took the staff to America in 1974 to listen to US commercial radio went off to Dallas - He also introduced JAM jingles onto Piccadilly Radio in the 70's. They knew each other via jingle collecting for years. and I believe it is true that they bumped into each other in Dallas and started chatting jingles. - Now that would be a deep jingle conversation.

    From the collectors tapes and my memory the first JAM jingles on ILR I heard was Beacon radio in Late 89.
  • These are truly awful - I sent them to Steve about a year ago who found them quite amusing.

    Its a Turbo Z tribute!!!

    http://www.c1hundred.co.uk/rfm.mp3
  • mb wrote: These are truly awful - I sent them to Steve about a year ago who found them quite amusing.

    Its a Turbo Z tribute!!!

    http://www.c1hundred.co.uk/rfm.mp3

    Hey Michael,

    Those are so awful they are good! :lol:
    Any idea Who produced them?
    Anyway good to see all these "rip-offs" coming out of the closet!!
    Incidenatlly I've E-mailed the great man to ask about the ALFASOUND/JAM
    history...If we don't get this answered none of us will be able to sleep at night!!! :wink:
  • Hey Michael,

    Those are so awful they are good! :lol:
    Any idea Who produced them?

    I think they were called sound house!!???? - The Scottish company that made all the great Tay / Forth jingles. The Great Music Radio and RFM jingles were fab but I think they should have stuck to making their own "style" and not gone for the Turbo Z soundalike. The only worse one I've heard is the Manchester Mix Turbo Z imitations!!!
  • Dave Nightingale has an interview with Steve he recorded in 1995, which Steve says he teamed up with JAM in 1989

    Dave has kindly agreed to edit this up for us to hear . . . . soon:)
  • If I remember Alfasound was orignally going to team up with TM,

    This was before the merger of TM / Century 21 as orignally Barry Charnley had the UK rights to Century 21 Later he lost this to David Arnold

    He also had the UK rights to the PAMS product via Kenr and Ben Freedman for the Dallas re-sings ,

    This is why a lot of the Alfasound Demos had the notice produced in association with Pams international and Century21.

    When he decided to give up the Jingle Biz the only rights he had was for the Thompson Creative Jingles which he passed on to Dave Langer

    Going back to the orignal question I am sure I recal an interview with steve who said he was going to team up with TM as he never thought JAM would be intrested but he always liked the JAM product best

    Martin
  • mb wrote: These are truly awful - I sent them to Steve about a year ago who found them quite amusing.

    Hahaha! Those really are awful! I love the "Z100" instrumental logo during the weather bed..

    This is a great post! Thanks Pete for starting the laughs!

    Tommy
  • Rip off jingles!! Of course, there were those bloody marvellous cuts penned by Music 4 (back in the days when they were SH Productions, even before they became Vibe), ripping off the old JAM Radio 1 cuts. And, of course, there was their legendary parody of the JAM song. But where are they now? You can't find them for love nor money, so if anyone's got 'em, any chance of submitting them for all to hear?
  • danjamesuk wrote: Rip off jingles!! Of course, there were those bloody marvellous cuts penned by Music 4 (back in the days when they were SH Productions, even before they became Vibe), ripping off the old JAM Radio 1 cuts. And, of course, there was their legendary parody of the JAM song. But where are they now? You can't find them for love nor money, so if anyone's got 'em, any chance of submitting them for all to hear?
    The JAM song was on the original SH Productions demo CD - I think some of it is actually on Pete's website as part of the Music4 MP3.
  • Thanks for that, Spoons... what a great copy! And I'll be visiting Pete's page soon - thanks for the info NickyS.
  • Does anyone know the best place to get hold of the older Chris Moyles jingles that Vibe did? The ones like "The Best Sound In Bridlington"

    I'll be honest, I've never heard them and they sound like they could be pretty good!!!
  • danjamesuk wrote: And, of course, there was their legendary parody of the JAM song.
    I've only just spotted the name of one of the stations in that JAM Song parody by Vibe - WRIT. Very funny!!!
  • Sad to say that David Arnold copied a W.BTanner jingle in the 1983 Essex Radio package. In the early 90's TM copied a David Arnold jingle from the 1984 Radio 210 package. TM redid it for WCAU talkradio 1210. A cut for "Bruno in the morning".
    Trent 5 (1983) from Alfasound also copied a couple of jingles from a package for WROR from Jam! Where does it stop!
  • Inferno wrote: Sad to say that David Arnold copied a W.BTanner jingle in the 1983 Essex Radio package. In the early 90's TM copied a David Arnold jingle from the 1984 Radio 210 package. TM redid it for WCAU talkradio 1210. A cut for "Bruno in the morning".
    Trent 5 (1983) from Alfasound also copied a couple of jingles from a package for WROR from Jam! Where does it stop!

    Can you post the "evidence" please Inferno?

    Anyway to finally put the ALFASOUND and JAM argument to rest here's the Great Man's reply.......


    What year did ALFASOUND tie up with JAM?
    I believe it was 1989 when we concluded an agreement
    I believe prior to JAM you spent a year or two with CENTURY 21??
    Through Ben Freedman we recorded a small number of packages at Century 21 prior to 1989.

    I've started a new thread (as they were getting boring) about Jingle rip offs :-)
    Not my favourite subject - we were asked by clients to do this sort of thing from time to time - sometimes we re-recorded Dallas tracks in case we were got into trouble with the Musicians Union. The very early Alfasound ones were down to an arranger (now dead) who disregarded the "sound alike" scores and just took down the original examples "note for note"....
    I found 2 of the "Forgotten Ones" from early ALFASOUND and a few more have come out of the closet including David Arnold rip offs of TM and CENTURY 21!!!
    You won't be popular with the companies who did them - we all want to forget about that.... :-)
  • petewilson" wrote:
    Sad to say that David Arnold copied a W.BTanner jingle in the 1983 Essex Radio package. In the early 90's TM copied a David Arnold jingle from the 1984 Radio 210 package. TM redid it for WCAU talkradio 1210. A cut for "Bruno in the morning".
    Trent 5 (1983) from Alfasound also copied a couple of jingles from a package for WROR from Jam! Where does it stop!

    Can you post the "evidence" please Inferno?


    I wish i could but i'm afraid i dont have the hardware and plus i'm sending this message from my local library.
    The W.B.Tanner jingle in question i think is in the Jinglemad classic jingles downloads and the Trent 5 in the jingle Ark Alfasound page. Jam's WROR package is also on the Jam classic jingles double cd with the orange cover.
  • Ok here's another blatant rip off.....

    Originally JAM then REELWORLD come along and nick elements from a couple of JAM cuts!!

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.wilson60/z100.mp3
  • I'm sure all of you know of TM Productions' "You" package. Most of it was written and recorded by Dick Hamilton in Los Angeles, but TM snuck an extra, Dallas-made image song into the final demo, which even Hamilton didn't know about when I asked him. Here it is (well, sort of; it's from Emison's UK resings of "You" for Beacon 303):

    http://www.radiohistory.freeserve.co.uk/do7.rm

    However, this jingle was "nicked" (as you people say) from the ABC television network's fall 1974 promo campaign jingle! Here is the full 2-to-3-minute promo song for that ABC campaign:

    http://www.tvparty.com/g2c/abcpromo74.ram

    Though it is not as bad as some of the stuff I have heard here, TM's "nicking" of ABC's 1974 campaign is a pretty heinous crime, IMO. If you listen to the Beacon cut, it is painfully blatant...

    Speaking of Beacon 303, Emison's other package for Beacon 303, also heard on the Beacon 303 site, contains some JAM ripoffs (the site says that they were a JAM/Emison co-production, but I doubt it...). Listen to the second jingle in this file:

    http://www.radiohistory.freeserve.co.uk/76c.rm

    And then, listen to the JAM jingle which I presume the preceding jingle was a ripoff of, by listening to this file, starting at 02:42:

    http://pete-wilson.net/media/jam2.mp3

    Well, that's all the "nicking" I can think of right now. I have heard several more great examples, but I do not have access to them anymore.

    For example, for those of you who have the early-70s PAMS jingles for Radio 1, and William B. Tanner's "Spirit" package, compare the PAMS "the station of the nation...Radio 1" jingle that starts with a violin, and has a horn section in between the promo line and the "Radio 1" name. Then, listen to the WBT "Spirit" jingle that goes "We're playing it all, and it's all for you...55 KSD." You'll notice that the opening violin part, and the horn section separating the promo line and station name, are both completely identical, note-for-note! If I had examples of these, I'd show them to you, but sadly, I don't...

    Well, that's it for now.

    -Jeffrey, just another jingle-crazed "Yank"
  • TServo2049 wrote: I'm sure all of you know of TM Productions' "You" package. Most of it was written and recorded by Dick Hamilton in Los Angeles, but TM snuck an extra, Dallas-made image song into the final demo, which even Hamilton didn't know about when I asked him. Here it is (well, sort of; it's from Emison's UK resings of "You" for Beacon 303):

    http://www.radiohistory.freeserve.co.uk/do7.rm

    However, this jingle was "nicked" (as you people say) from the ABC television network's fall 1974 promo campaign jingle! Here is the full 2-to-3-minute promo song for that ABC campaign:

    http://www.tvparty.com/g2c/abcpromo74.ram

    Though it is not as bad as some of the stuff I have heard here, TM's "nicking" of ABC's 1974 campaign is a pretty heinous crime, IMO. If you listen to the Beacon cut, it is painfully blatant...

    Speaking of Beacon 303, Emison's other package for Beacon 303, also heard on the Beacon 303 site, contains some JAM ripoffs (the site says that they were a JAM/Emison co-production, but I doubt it...). Listen to the second jingle in this file:

    http://www.radiohistory.freeserve.co.uk/76c.rm

    And then, listen to the JAM jingle which I presume the preceding jingle was a ripoff of, by listening to this file, starting at 02:42:

    http://pete-wilson.net/media/jam2.mp3

    Well, that's all the "nicking" I can think of right now. I have heard several more great examples, but I do not have access to them anymore.

    For example, for those of you who have the early-70s PAMS jingles for Radio 1, and William B. Tanner's "Spirit" package, compare the PAMS "the station of the nation...Radio 1" jingle that starts with a violin, and has a horn section in between the promo line and the "Radio 1" name. Then, listen to the WBT "Spirit" jingle that goes "We're playing it all, and it's all for you...55 KSD." You'll notice that the opening violin part, and the horn section separating the promo line and station name, are both completely identical, note-for-note! If I had examples of these, I'd show them to you, but sadly, I don't...

    Well, that's it for now.

    -Jeffrey, just another jingle-crazed "Yank"


    Interesting stuff. I always thought that "You" male vocal in the first file sounded like Andrew Gold! I had also heard (back in 1978) that the "You" package had been written by Barry Manilow.

    WFIL, Philadelphia used that TM cut in 1975 before Beacon who didn't air it until 1978.

    Beacon 303 also used the same font type from ABC TV for its orignal logo.

    I thought it was common knowledge that Beacon's Emison/Yamco package from 1976 had 'copied' a few original JAM cuts. There are several of them in the file you've posted. Metro Radio (UK) had some of the cuts sung for them at around the same time (WMGK - "The Magic is the Music";
    Beacon - "The Music is the Sunshine"; Metro - The Music in the North East). With an American involved with both of these UK stations in the 1970's none of this is surprising.

    BBC Radio Two (UK) used the same package in the 1970s too.
  • There are some interesting words on sound alikes in the new Jingle Book by Don Worsham - The Hits Between The Hits.

    Listen out to Jingle Network News tomorrow evening - you'll hear a review and might win a copy!

    Or buy it from www.jingles.org - worth the cover price for the accompanying CD alone!
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