[DavidHemsley]

The *new* Jingle Network News is now online . .

. . . among many things we have an exclusive from Thompson Creative, Resings for Canadian Q stations and of course our $2,000 prize contest!

So check out the audiocast and remember to tell yer jingle buddies that The Jingle Network is back . . .

Thankies

http://www.thejinglenetwork.info

[ratnobMember]

David and Stuart

Thanks. I enjoyed this, and appreciate all the hard work that must have gone into producing it. I thought it was informative and entertaining.

I'd have liked a bit more contemporary imaging (those Ben Freedman cuts do sound a bit clunky) and a few less examples of saying “we'll have the audio available next month”.

But overall, an informative podcast. Thank you both.

[nostalgie]

Thank you! I liked it and look forward to hear more about radio stations located in US.

[DavidHemsley]

Thank you for the comments so far – and to everyone that has entered the contest . . . .only one of you has got it right so far!

The “coming next time” is probably down to my bad writing.

I'm sorry you didnt like Ben's jingles . . . I think the Simple & Free Pepper Tanner package is great and I did say to expect some 80's ILR!

But maybe choosing cuts from a country/gospel package was not the best thing I have ever done . . . I still like 'em though even if Ben does feature the girls too prominent in the mix

But we also have the Jingles Factory stuff and an S2Blue cut is coming as well.

[DavidHemsley]

Yeah I appreciate that Neal and we were aware of the story – but everything we featured barring the mention of the jingle mad jingle demo thread, was sent to us by the jingle companies themselves – and reelworld was given ample time and opportunity to let us feature this – we wound never want to put anyone's nose out of joint and we always check first – and if a comment or item does not come direct from the company themsleves or by a request from us, then we simply won't feature it.

[DavidHemsley]

Yes and I understnad that – but that's never been our policy and I cannot see it changing anytime soon.

And we have to be more careful than a jingle forum, as we are presenting a recorded work to radio stations via the web and CD – so yes, I really do think I need permission . . . but as always, thank you for the comments.

[DavidHemsley]

Well you are, of course, entitled to your opinion . . . but I still don't agree with you, and to be honest Neal I half expected you to pick a fight about something with the new podcast – i said it to several people and you sadly proved me right.

[DavidHemsley]

I have had replies – and so far it is stacked 75/25 that my thought on the subject is correct . . . but I wanted to reproduce this quote from one of the emails I received.

I'll not say who it is from – but he is a jingle producer that is very highly regarded by very much most of you here. He sums it up very well and you will notice the word “webstream” used.

“Simply because something has been broadcast, or used on a webstream, does not convey any rights to the listener. If you hear a Beatles song on the radio, does that mean you now have some ownership in the song and can make copies of it and do whatever you like with it? No. You can make a recording for your private use, but as soon as you distribute copies or (worse) sell copies, there are infringement issues. The same applies to the jingles.”

Maybe the author of that quote will input on this thread – that is up to him, he is a member here.

I hope that paragraph alone now clears up the reasoning behind my policy.

[ratnobMember]

Just to make a slightly different point, David.

I think Neal's right that the lack of reference to a major producer like ReelWorld is a cause for concern, especially if (as you say) you'll be sending the podcast out to radio station programmers.

That's because for a podcast supposedly containing news it won't be reflecting what a lot of current radio imaging is actually like. Shouldn't there be some mention of what IQ Beats or Kissville or Light House Studios or M-Edge or RadioScape or Zone are working on; or some reference to the vibrant jingle scene across Europe?

The danger otherwise is that the podcast is actually a kind of jingle mausoleum, a tribute to a long-gone past, rather than something that genuinely reflects contemporary imaging.

Thanks to you and Stuart for the work so far and I hope this is helpful as you work to develop the podcast in the future.

[IainJohnstonMember]

Regardless of the semantics of the legal issues, I like the clear crisp presentation and the good general range of content. A good start as far as I'm concerned.

The Ben Freedman JNN jingles sound…well, Ben is Ben and so at least we know what to expect! Maybe a bit “time warp” but at least no-one can grumble that the “words can't be made out“!

(As for your Jingle Factory items – I hope they delivered JNN's a bit more promptly & with less hassle than mine or that for another JM member (who is STILL waiting…)…)

[DavidHemsley]

Thanks Wixy, and yeah we did, Jingles Factory delivered in 2 days!

[Paul]

One thing I learned producing the podcast was not to rely on jingle companies to send news monthly. I would visit their sites before writing the script to see if they've updated since the last podcast and feature any news posted on JingleNews during the month.

ReelWorld send me a press release for JingleNews when KOST started to air the ReelWorld One AC jingles (http://www.jinglenews.com/2009/07/22/kost-change-to-reelworld/). You are welcome to use any of the news we feature on JingleNews in any future podcasts (providing we get a mention somewhere in the podcast)

If jingles are airing on a station there is no need (in my opinion) to seek permission from the company to feature the news in the podcast.

My motto was more jingles, less talk and I think it worked well.

[DavidHemsley]

Thanks for the words Paul – but I already have it from many producers that have replied to my email that seeking permission is the correct thing to do.

Featuring the “news” spoken is one thing – but using a copyrighted audio work, well thats a different ballgame.

But thank you for your offer of using your site for news. Using websites and forums as news sources is not something I really want to get into, but thanks again.

[ratnobMember]

David Hemsley wrote:
Thanks for the words Paul – but I already have it from many producers that have replied to my email that seeking permission is the correct thing to do.

The big risk with this approach is that the podcast is only a bland and uncritical vehicle for communicating the PR of a small number of producers who happen to have sent you press releases, etc. It would be like the BBC only reporting stories from companies, politicians and organisations who have given them permission: the newsreaders would be reduced to reading out official press releases.

I think Paul's right in what he implies: if the podcast is to genuinely carry “news” then its source has to be wider that what a jingle company officially announces. Some producers will be busy producing rather than having time or staff to respond to email queries.

Here's an example of what I mean. One of these days Radio 2 will finally change jingles. So would the podcast not report this if Radio 2 and/or its chosen producers have not announced it officially and given you permission to report it?

To my mind it's important that news about jingles is seen as being distinct from a public relations exercise.

[fredgreek]

There are some interesting discussions here and I'd like to let you know my opinion on this.

Firstly the imaging: A good point was raised above about it – the cuts didn't sound right to me and I'm not sure whether they'd work that well, considering that you'll (hopefully) be using them alongside previews of new jingle packages, many of which will be in a totally different style to those.

I personally don't mind hearing “we'll have the audio next month” – particularly when you have a situation when you're reading a press release/news item about an unfinished jingle package. At the same time, if you say it too many times then it might sound as though you've rushed into recording.

Obviously this has been the first edition in a while, so companies/producers may not be fully aware of it yet. Things always take a while to establish (or in your case, re-establish) themselves; give it a few months and I'm sure you'll have a few more companies sending in content more often.

As for asking permission: if you are to feature copyrighted audio then yes, you should ask for permission if you are sending it to radio stations and jingle producers; its not like JingleMad where jingle fans share audio for personal collections.

However if you are to feature spoken news with no audio then I would say you don't need permission, as long as the right precautions are taken – check the accuracy and source of the item etc. There's nothing wrong with using websites as a source if it means you have some interesting content which would otherwise be ignored.

[martinlesterMember]

Hey David

One quick question will you be offering a download option in the Future ?

as its much easier for me to listen via my Ipod than on line

Thanks to Barras for helping out this time

Regards

Martin

[DavidHemsley]

Martin Lester wrote:
Hey David

One quick question will you be offering a download option in the Future ?

Yeah sure . . I'll sort something out (for you posh people with jinglePods he hee)

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