[LenGroat]

As no one else has posted about this I wonder if the return of TB to BBC Radio 2, with a show titled as above, means we’ll be hearing those delicious, 7-voice JAM acapellas that sing it, again ?

http://radiotoday.co.uk/2016/12/the-golden-hour-returns-with-tony-blackburn/?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=inRadio+plans+schedule+changes+for+2017+-+24+hours+with+Wisebuddah+Jingles&utm_campaign=20161216_m136295839_24+hours+UK&utm_term=The+Golden+Hour+returns+with+Tony+Blackburn

[IainJohnston]

Needless to say plenty blethering about it here…
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2194187
especially post #4

…and in ref quality, a small reminder…
https://soundcloud.com/allthebestjingles/ij-tblackburn-goldenhour-jam

Did someone on here once say that the tracks for some of those cuts were not 100% original JAM but
possibly “brought-in” (yes, “brought” not “bought”, for those who always mis-spell “bought” phonetically!!!)
when Jon “absorbed” Chris Kershaw and/or others into JAM’s pool of talent?

[GrahamCollins]

Not much seems to be known about ‘The Tony Blackburn Show’ jingles. Tony allegedly paid for them himself and managed to edit this versatile phrase into dozens of PAMS cuts from demos and some that Radio 1 had actually purchased. Word is that a certain Maurice Cole actually did the editing….

[IainJohnston]

Graham, isn’t that his pirate-era jingles as opposed to the 1970s JAM one(s) as on my audio?
I believe his pirate radio ones were UK-made ?
The JAM one above I’m sure I’ve got lurking somewhere on USA station-call version dubs.

I do note that at :19 seconds on my audio there’s a “WNOX”-logo style synth stinger that sounds
a wee bit incongruous amongst the “BBC-logo” ones!

[ratnobMember]

I just asked TB via Twitter whether we could expect to hear some classic ‘Golden Hour’ jingles on the new show. Here’s his (disappointing) response:

@BobDinan Sorry to say we wont be able to use those original Golden Hour Jingles.Copyright with jingles is always difficult.

[LenGroat]

That’s a strange reply from Tony? I’m not sure he understands jingle-licencing?

Surely re-licencing most cuts from JAM/PAMS is now pretty straightforward – you just have to pay the appropriate price for your station, for re-use, or re-sing, depending on how large your station is, whether it is ‘commercial’ or not. It’s nothing to do with ‘copyright’.

We bought the sung JAM jingle in the audio for GEM-AM in 1991, and surely it would only take a few days to have it re-sung as ‘Radio 2’ ? I’m surprised that a station with a £50 million annual budget cannot provide the right jingles for Tony’s style, particularly given how much mileage the BBC will get out of him in 2017 when it’s Radio 1’s 50th anniversary.

I BET you you’ll be hearing plenty of the old jingle PAMS/JAM jingle during the anniversary both on BBC TV and RADIO – so there can’t be a ‘copyright’ problem!

Of course the older Jinglemadders will recall that the old PAMS ‘Radio 1’ jingles were actually the ORIGINAL ‘Big L’ jingles!

https://soundcloud.com/len-groat/big-l-radio-1

And we had no ‘copyright problems’ getting it re-sung 50 years later!

https://soundcloud.com/len-groat/pams-music-explosion-series-31-16

Merry Christmas !

[GuyMember]

Apparently – according to that now-retired slogan – it’s my BBC; so I say get on with it and kiss and make up with Mr Wolfert so we can have that wonderful Golden Hour acapella and the year jingles from the 1976 Radio 1 package back. You know it makes sense…

[IainJohnston]

Copyright? really? Or BBC internal politics?

POTPs is an “independent production” as they say – I know, I own about £20 quid’s worth of shares in its parent company.

But is the new Golden Hour going to be Beeb “in-house” which might be a likely “reason” why the suits might
be huffy about who provides any potential jingles for the programme?

And remember both TB and JMW have hinted about the very limited budget the producers of POTPs had
for the JAM and PAMS resings for it, but obviously still had enough “editorial freedom” to go to JMW for
what they wanted BEST for the series, and they DID.

(And I surmise the budget for the JAM/PAMS material usage would be deep inside the contractor’s overall
headline cost & invoicing to the Beeb, so the Beeb would most likely be unable to directly “control” budget
“line items” within the internal managing of the production. Or at least that’s how things worked in my world
of electronics manufacturing, so who knows?)

Its all just conjecture…for now…

[GrahamCollins]

I don’t think Tony will be in this slot long enough to warrant new jingles…..

[timbo]

I don’t think Tony will be in this slot long enough to warrant new jingles…..

Agree…he’s back in the building hold tight…..

[LenGroat]

I caught the first 20 minutes of Tony’s return on New Years Eve but only heard one of the worn-out Wise Buddah jingles with a female VO – did he later use any JAM cuts?

A mix-out of the POTP cut minus the Sonovox would have fitted !?

[GrahamCollins]

Interesting point Len but it would probably be against ‘station sound’…..

[UKJinglesMember]

I listened to Tony’s Golden Hour this morning on BBC iplayer and although it’s a great show…Like his other shows nowadays he can’t interact with proper Jingles (Which as we all know he’s the master at!)
Surely they could afford to have a couple of JAM re-sings (from the 1976/78 Package) ?
I rather have my licence fee spent on that than some second rate “actor” presenting “Hansel and Bloody Gretel” on BBC Radio TWO……They have definitely lost the plot!!!

[LenGroat]

I suspect the ‘not being able to afford jingles’ is part of a BBC funding/political plan as it’s whole structure/financing comes under more and more Social Media and Government scrutiny.

They’ve just announced they are stopping ALL ‘live’ shows on Radio 2 overnights, and introducing some new format, recorded shows, looking in-depth at various musical genres (which of course costs a LOT more to produce!).

This has inflamed the discussion topic on ‘Radio Today’

http://radiotoday.co.uk/2017/01/bbc-radio-2-cuts-live-overnight-presenters/?fb_comment_id=1210640319023605_1210671389020498&comment_id=1210671389020498#f95b26e12ab7fc

There are usually 2 or 3 comments a topic – this has 150 !

I fear it’s a matter of Watch this space rather than Hear our new jingles!!

[gameswizardMember]

They’ve just announced they are stopping ALL ‘live’ shows on Radio 2 overnights

Absolutely disgusting.

The BBC have lost the plot. They’re providing too many services on a limited budget and as a result it’s the programming – and listener – that suffers.
They should go back to how it was in the 80’s – Radio 1, 2, 3 and 4. World Service, Radio Scotland, Radio Wales and Raidio Northern Ireland (or whatever it’s named) and the BBC Locals.

They could save heaps more money by cutting excessive wages they pay their presenters/”stars”.

[ratnobMember]

With the news today that Brian Matthew has been taken off Radio 2’s ‘Sound of the Sixties’, I wonder whether TB might surface on Saturday breakfast?:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/radio-2-takes-horrible-decision-replace-britains-oldest-dj-brian/

[IainJohnston]

Does seem to be another contradictory “whitewash” (…am I allowed to say the “w-word” these days???)
from BBC PR dept, c.f the Blackburn POTPs matter.

They make out like Brian Mathew was struggling doing the programme live every Saturday morning, even
though everyone “knows” he VT’d his bits, and the jingles and his voice files are then “plugged-in” (just
like Casey Kasem etc in the pre-digital era).

For those who want to follow the topic more, away from the context of jingles…
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2202347

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